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Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:

uh... you've waited a month later to reply? after i've long forgotten the context of this discussion? why? anyway...

Because I've been prioritizing dealing with reports, but mainly because your name came up in a mod related discussion recently, and the context of your exchange with other members, me included, became relevant.

However, when someone refuses to clarify a simple question multiple times, I don't forget it just because a month has passed.

o_O.Q said:
"No, there was never a contradiction. Only a person who didn't understand it before the clarification."

because your wording as i clearly quoted showed a contradiction, if you don't actually type what your intent is concisely how am i suppose to interpret you correctly? do you think i'm medium?

And I told you that pointing at two different phrases, ignoring their meaning or context, does not explain where there is a contradiction.
I wanted an explanation, but had to ask you again and again and again.

o_O.Q said:

to reiterate you state here that for asexual people, sexuality is not a factor

"in the case of some asexual people, sexuality is not a factor."

but then here you state the opposite

"Identity is not the same as sexuality". I did not say it "has nothing to do with it"."


how can something be a factor and not be a factor simultaneously? i just posted quotes because i didn't seriously believe i'd have to spell this out like this

First of all, I said for some asexual people, sexuality isn't a factor. Some of them merely have low interest in sexual activity.
But the problem is with this comment you made:

"you are identifying them as asexual then claiming that their sexuality has nothing to do with their identity...doesn't that strike you as ironic?"

At no point did I say 'has nothing to do with their identity'. That's something you made up.

I said "identity is not the same as sexuality". Meaning it's not the defining characteristic of everyone's identity. The degree of how much or little it makes up of someone's identity is different for everyone. I used some asexual people, whose sexuality is completely absent, as an example of how stark the contrast can be.

I'm sure that at this point, you know this. But when you originally falsely claimed that I had said "has nothing to do with", you probably didn't.

o_O.Q said:
what about bringing someone's post and moderation history into a completely unrelated discussion to poison the well? do you think that's toxic as well?

It wasn't unrelated, because it looked like you were doing things you've been moderated for in the past.

o_O.Q said:
the point i was making is that we have moderators for these discussions because we expect people to discuss things reasonably, why would i be making backhanded shots at you? i don't even know you

??
Part of the reason why we have moderators is because we expect that people won't always discuss things reasonably and maturely. And they don't.

When I said that you should know that some people obviously won't take it well that you're ridiculing them for hypocrisy you said you didn't know that because you assume everyone will behave maturely.

But you know that's not the case. People argue. People break the rules. You included.
The mere presence of moderators doesn't change that, even if it demotivates some.

o_O.Q said:
you mean you're going to put more effort into scrutinising my posts specifically over the posts of others to see if you can moderate me?

No, I could have moderated you after you refused to answer my question for the 5th time. But I do want to discourage that kind of behavior. Not just from you, but from anyone reading my post. A person should not have to ask for a clarification that many times before they get an answer. If ever.

o_O.Q said:
i'm not a moderator i honestly don't have in depth knowledge of how the terminology works and i don't see why i should be expected to

You know the difference between "moderated" and "moderated for whatever you are accusing me of doing."

I did make it clear that there was a difference between how many times you had been moderated in general, and how many times you were moderated for something potentially related to this. You asked me to specify a number of things I'd rather not be too specific with in a post like this (I can through PM though), and as I did my best to reply, I found that you would respond to my comments about moderations in general with questions of how many times you've been moderated for something specific.

It may not have been your intention to try to be misleading though. I'm not going to assume that.
But just so you know, when moderators are reviewing a post, they don't just disregard any prior history, if it's not related to the particular rule this one may be breaking. But those are of course more interesting.

If you want numbers for your mod history, you can check them yourself under My Profile. Should say something like Moderation History in the top right corner.

o_O.Q said:
"You were moderated for a comment on the very off-topic subject you're trying to debate with me here. Women's equal rights."

can you actually give me a link to the post or post it here for clarification?

"I'm not going to debate the other issues with you"

so let me get this straight, you bring up my moderation history spontaneously into a completely unrelated discussion, and now that i've asked you to provide a more detailed breakdown of what its actually like so that i can defend myself, you just refuse? you think that's fair?

I can give you the link: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8598293

But when you ask for things like specific numbers, I don't want to post that here due to our policies.

I also want to add something I edited into my post while you were making this comment, that you missed.

o_O.Q said:
"Quote those conflicting comments, and tag the users."

i already did with one of them since i was engaged in discussion with him

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9001190

That post came after your post. So you could not have been referring to it, unless you own a time machine.

Your post: 21 April 2019 at 03:58
His post: 21 April 2019 at 04:38

You also used plural, insinuating more than one person.
And I'm not even going to get into how what that poster said is not the same thing you described, or how your understanding of it is not the same as mine either.

"And I told you that pointing at two different phrases, ignoring their meaning or context"

if i ignored their meaning or context how did you come to clarify what you said multiple times?

obviously you made the clarifications in response to arguments i made about your posts

you keep repeating this claim and its not true

"does not explain where there is a contradiction."

if i make two phrases like "john went south for the winter" and then i said "john did not go south for the winter" are you really trying to argue that people would reasonably expect that the contradiction here has to be spelled out?

"Part of the reason why we have moderators is because we expect that people won't always discuss things reasonably and maturely. And they don't."

i worded that badly this was my intent

"At no point did I say 'has nothing to do with their identity'. That's something you made up."

"And in the case of some asexual people, sexuality is not a factor.""

are you kidding me? can you logically explain how its not essentially the same thing?

"If you want numbers for your mod history, you can check them yourself under My Profile. Should say something like Moderation History in the top right corner."

according to my moderation history i've been banned 10 times

3 times for sig length

1 time for thread derailment

5 times for flaming

1 time for trolling

i have been on this site now for over eight years... do you really think its fair to characterise someone with an average of 1 ban for trolling every eight years as a bad user?

why didn't you post my history to begin with so we could have an actual discussion based on facts and figures? if i wanted to now i could even go and plot a graph or something

"hat post came after your post. So you could not have been referring to it, unless you own a time machine."

oh sorry that's true here are some more

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9000918

"You claim that these parents are pushing their children, however in both examples you provided, it appears that the children are the ones who are being allowed to lead and express their own identities in the way they see fit."

on the one hand sundin is advocating for men to be allowed to change their identity to women if they want to, but sundin in the past has advocated for feminists issues... both values obviously conflict since feminism is largely predicated on a delineation between men and women do you agree?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9000949

""Children as young as 2 years learn to label themselves as a boy or a girl, and by age 4–5, are able to understand that gender is a stable and lasting aspect of their identity.40 Boys and girls have group differences in toy preference by as early as 12 months and can label other children as boys or girls by age 2.41""

the same problem arises here

"And I'm not even going to get into how what that poster said is not the same thing you described"

well i suppose it depends on if you see what i described as a conflict... i personally don't see how you could argue that its not but whatever