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fatslob-:O said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Anybody else saw the leaked Intel CPU roadmap? If that one is true, then they won't be able to fight against AMD for long anymore - the first 10nm Chips would be Tiger Lake U/Y mid 2021.

https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

Comet lake would come out in a year or so, and apart from adding 2 more cores, I doesn't seem to do very much. But by that time it will probably have to fight against Zen3/Ryzen 4 already - if not even it's successor!

So unless Intel manages to magically increase the efficiency of their 14nm process and of the core architecture, AMD will trash them for the next 3 years at the very least.

*snip*

Intel has been a MASSIVE failure thus far recently in both core or non-core competencies and that's saying something. Their last negative was Apple dumping their modems for Qualcomm's but just when you think things couldn't get any worse yet they manage to shit the bed once again ... 

It'll be a day of reckoning for them if they have to contemplate manufacturing their CPUs on other foundries like TSMC or Samsung ... 

It's all due to Krzanich tenure as the boss of Intel.

He constantly reduced all R&D budgets, thinking AMD and IBM could never catch up anymore, jacked up the prices for obscene margins (and still have the prices right up there, like the Xeon Platinum 8180M and it's $13011 pricetag - and that's before the Two-8000-series-chips-glued-together 9000 series, which don't have a pricetag yet) blew their money on pointless aquisitions, fired and drew away all good talent that they had to avoid competition at the top... and then came AMD with Ryzen and Intel had nothing to counter anymore. Being not an engineer and at the same time a total meeting room tyrant meant that nothing innovative could come through to Krzanich unless it meant immediate income or was about some perceived growth market (like smartphones, IoT, you name it), and CPU development grinded pretty much to a halt. Broadwell was already developed by his predecessor, but only came on the market under Krzanich - and being an expensive chip, it only got a limited release, banking an the cheaper Skylake.

The way Krzanich led the company meant massive earnings due to cutting costs everywhere and rising prices sky high, and thus Investors were enamored into his leadership. But by doing so, they mentally bankruted the company, and are now paying the price for dillydallying for 6 years under his leadership. Seriously, what he will have cost the company on the long run will certainly be several times more than what he made the company and the shareholders earn together in that period.

They did ramp up the core count, but on a side note, I don't think AMD is really responsible for that. Intel always touted themselves as bringing a 20% performance increase gen over gen, and the only way they could do that after Kaby lake really was by increasing the core count, as they reached the limit of what was feasible with clock alone. I think that's also the reason who they added 2 cores each year since, that made the 20% increase more feasible on the long run.

When they had to counter Ryzen as it became even more dangerous to them than anticipated, they didn't have much possibilities. They had the gaming market in their hand because Ryzen couldn't reach higher clock speeds, but servers and especially workstations were at risk with Epyc and the Threadripper reveal. They did counter by bringing some workstation and server chips to the desktop to match the core count, and jacked up the wattage to surpass AMD in clock speed again. But the 9900K and the Skylake-X chips showed that this could only bring them so far, now it's the end of the line. Unless they find a way to press some more ipc out of the aging core architecture, then AMD has carte blanche starting Zen 2/Ryzen 3xxx until at least 2023, as no successor is on sight earlier then that. All because Krzanich grinded development to a halt. I hope Lisa Su sends you a big check every Christmas Krzanich, because you couldn't have made her a better gift if you tried.