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JEMC said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Anybody else saw the leaked Intel CPU roadmap? If that one is true, then they won't be able to fight against AMD for long anymore - the first 10nm Chips would be Tiger Lake U/Y mid 2021.

https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

Comet lake would come out in a year or so, and apart from adding 2 more cores, I doesn't seem to do very much. But by that time it will probably have to fight against Zen3/Ryzen 4 already - if not even it's successor!

So unless Intel manages to magically increase the efficiency of their 14nm process and of the core architecture, AMD will trash them for the next 3 years at the very least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7GKywLpzmA

Yeah, I read that.

Technically, the first chips would be in the second quarter of this year with the low power Ice Lake products, followed by Comet Lake in the same quarter of 2020. Still, it's another delay on their 10nm process which will affect them even more.

To be honest, I'm more worried (so to speak) by them "only" adding another pair of cores than the process node. With rumors saying that AMD is going with up to 16 cores with Ryzen, plus the increased IPS and clocks improvements, we could see them obliterating Intel in multi-threaded tasks and giving them a run for their money in single-threaded ones.

Add the fact that next-gen consoles will have an 8-core Zen processor, and soon we may see how PC games start asking for more than 4-cores in their min. req., which would be a bigger problem for Intel than AMD, as they still rely on 4-core parts for their mid-price mainstream products.

Well, Intel is already at it's production limit, doubling the cores would have increased the size of the chips way too much to bear. It would also have killed anything not based on the Extreme Core Count in their Server business, and they can't have that. Plus, the 9900K already runs at way above 95W to even be able to reach those 5Ghz, locked to 95W it's just barely in front of the 2700X.

haxxiy said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Anybody else saw the leaked Intel CPU roadmap? If that one is true, then they won't be able to fight against AMD for long anymore - the first 10nm Chips would be Tiger Lake U/Y mid 2021.

https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

Comet lake would come out in a year or so, and apart from adding 2 more cores, I doesn't seem to do very much. But by that time it will probably have to fight against Zen3/Ryzen 4 already - if not even it's successor!

So unless Intel manages to magically increase the efficiency of their 14nm process and of the core architecture, AMD will trash them for the next 3 years at the very least.

Intel's CPUs already seem somewhat... not very eficient compared to AMD's, considering 1) their 14 nm process is actually more than half a node better than AMD's 14 - 12 nm, and 2) their transistor density is already made much lower to improve electron flow. I think their architecture is getting outdated like in their Netburst days, so I'd not be surprised if ARM / AMD processors outperform them with ease in coming years. If Intel does nothing, that is.

Netburst was outdated from the start, it was comparable to Bulldozer - they just could afford to throw tons of money on the problem (and bribing the OEMs), which AMD couldn't do.

ARM and AMD will be very hard on them in different sectors:

1. Chromebooks (really anything where a Y series or N series processor is inside),
2. NUCs (due to AMDs GPU power and GU driver support being vastly better than Intels, making them a more complete package)
3. Servers, due to being more efficient, having much more cores and being faster, also possibly PCIe 4.0 support. Here IBM could also possibly be a threat with their upcoming POWER10, though that's less likely.
4. Desktop PC, where AMD is already doing pretty well considering the results of Mindfactory
5. Laptops, since the production limitation has the OEMs to choose not selling laptops and selling AMD laptops instead, greatly helping AMDs visibility to the common public.

Really, the only thing that they will still have going for them are the OEMs for the companies, as these are notoriously slow to change, even slower than Server IT. That, and their huge size, which means a lot of reserves and space o shrink.