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Immersiveunreality on 25 April 2019
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Torillian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Consider those possibilities please and consider we are far away from having perfect treatment and support for those poor kids and that was clearly the concern of the OP so no need to put a HATER stamp on his forehead because he made this thread out of worry.

I don't think a thread that asks if supporting a child's view of themselves as transgender is child abuse is worried that our current treatment and understanding of these children is imperfect. Imperfect treatment is not child abuse. 

Immersiveunreality said:
Torillian said:

I don't think a thread that asks if supporting a child's view of themselves as transgender is child abuse is worried that our current treatment and understanding of these children is imperfect. Imperfect treatment is not child abuse. 

If it results in suffering of said child it IS abuse.

If i take a swing at you while thinking it heals you ,would you consider that imperfect treatment or abuse?

Torillian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Firstly dont disagree with me on something i never said and turn it on me.

Bolded: Support the 3-6 year old in the way it needs support ofcourse and no one disagrees on that ,you can read that in previous comments.

What you fail to understand is that every child is mentally different and you just put them into one big group that apparently have the same needs,and you also don't understand that most problems with these kids come in their teens and later life and that research is also on the site you use links from,did link it before.You cannot call this an overal healthy practice for a childs development and ignore the years that come after.

So your so called evidence is no evidence but partial information that is good research on its own but it belongs to a bigger whole.

Not all of the children should be pushed towards another gender because children can not always make a healthy decisions for themselves and parents can make children believe they want it so we need to be very carefull and that is why people think not every "support"is in reality support and therefore it is open for abuse.

You're the one that said I'm misunderstanding the point of most of the posters in this thread who have concerns. So I'm telling you what I'm arguing against and what you are vicariously defending. If you want to stick with just what you've said I'm fine with that, but you're the one that wants to defend what the group in this thread are saying and not just your own words with statements like:

"That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported"."

Once you say that I feel it's fair game to ask you to defend the statements of others since you've already decided to do so. And I think it's totally fair to think that the discussion is on whether or not you support a child that thinks they are trans considering that the OP contains two examples both of which are of parents who responded to what their child said. That's what led off this discussion. 

If you don't give me the specific studies that disagree with what I've posted I've got nothing to debate against so I guess I'll leave it at that until you provide links. I will say, however, that what I'm failing to see from "your side" is the admission that a lack of support for a child going through gender questions is also abuse. If your kid consistently insists they're a girl and you insist "no, you're a boy" then there's a sizable chance that you've just shut down someone with legitimate concerns. I'm personally much more concerned with that scenario over this idea that people all over are pushing their kids to be trans. If that's something that is happening with regularity I would have to see some proof of that.  

First bolded:I should not have typed "we" and should have typed what i personally thought about it but im pretty sure the OP his intention of this thread was not saying children shouldn't be supported but more children shouldn't be abused and i know you like to transform that because of the examples but his intention stays.(The examples are no proof of support OR abuse so to use those the transform the argument in this thread being against support is really silly)

Second bolded: If you say there is a sizable chance that someone with concerns gets shut down then you can also agree that there is a chance someone that should have no concerns can be pushed toward a wrong identity no?And what about childhood shizophrenia,have you thought about that?Or kids with autism that are socially confused?

And no your link to that research did not include children that are pushed into it so it is worthless to bring it up as argument.

Can you just understand that it is just not totally safe yet to assume ALL kids are better off with another gender when they ask for it?

Also the thread is totally not about children being supported, but that is just another assumption of you and that makes it very hard to get anything through to you and through the wall of ideology.I can say i kick my dog to support it but that doesnt make it actual support.