At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[Torillian]

Immersiveunreality said:

Torillian said:

NO idea what you're getting at with the first statement, please rephrase.

What I've seen is people equating supporting a kid's gender choices with letting them drink, do drugs, or join a fucking war because kids don't know what they want. Tell me how that isn't assuming harm from the choice, and against the idea of supporting the kid's choices. 

The example gets to the most important question in this entire god damned thread. If you can't answer that then what are you disagreeing with? You think we're talking past each other, fine, tell me your actual position on the example in question and we can really quickly and easily figure out if we actually disagree. So again, your 3-6 year old says they're a girl when you thought they were a boy, what do you do?

Go ahead and explain to me how that evidence doesn't apply and give me the other links. I literally googled the effects of transitioning on transgender suicide rates and found that paper. So if you have other information then link it. Show me a study. 

Here's a link to the study in question to make sure we're talking about the same thing:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223

Firstly dont disagree with me on something i never said and turn it on me.

Bolded: Support the 3-6 year old in the way it needs support ofcourse and no one disagrees on that ,you can read that in previous comments.

What you fail to understand is that every child is mentally different and you just put them into one big group that apparently have the same needs,and you also don't understand that most problems with these kids come in their teens and later life and that research is also on the site you use links from,did link it before.You cannot call this an overal healthy practice for a childs development and ignore the years that come after.

So your so called evidence is no evidence but partial information that is good research on its own but it belongs to a bigger whole.

Not all of the children should be pushed towards another gender because children can not always make a healthy decisions for themselves and parents can make children believe they want it so we need to be very carefull and that is why people think not every "support"is in reality support and therefore it is open for abuse.

You're the one that said I'm misunderstanding the point of most of the posters in this thread who have concerns. So I'm telling you what I'm arguing against and what you are vicariously defending. If you want to stick with just what you've said I'm fine with that, but you're the one that wants to defend what the group in this thread are saying and not just your own words with statements like:

"That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported"."

Once you say that I feel it's fair game to ask you to defend the statements of others since you've already decided to do so. And I think it's totally fair to think that the discussion is on whether or not you support a child that thinks they are trans considering that the OP contains two examples both of which are of parents who responded to what their child said. That's what led off this discussion. 

If you don't give me the specific studies that disagree with what I've posted I've got nothing to debate against so I guess I'll leave it at that until you provide links. I will say, however, that what I'm failing to see from "your side" is the admission that a lack of support for a child going through gender questions is also abuse. If your kid consistently insists they're a girl and you insist "no, you're a boy" then there's a sizable chance that you've just shut down someone with legitimate concerns. I'm personally much more concerned with that scenario over this idea that people all over are pushing their kids to be trans. If that's something that is happening with regularity I would have to see some proof of that.