PS5 Confirmed Backward Compatibility

[Trumpstyle]

Bofferbrauer2 said:

Trumpstyle said:

We had 3 new rumors from Jason Schreier, french leak and Brad sams since I made my prediction in the same thread, here's my updated one.

Xbox two (Lockhart)
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,4 ghz
GPU: Navi 4TF
Memory: 12GB Gddr6 Ram, 192-bit bus, 336 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive (Will be disc-less)
Launch: Fall 2020 250-300$

Xbox two+ (Anaconda)
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,8 ghz
GPU: Navi 12TF, 80CU with 1200 Mhz clock
Memory: 16GB Gddr6 Ram, 256-bit bus, 448 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive
Launch: Fall 2020 400$

Playstation 5
CPU: Zen2 8 cores, 16 threads, 2,8 ghz
GPU: Navi 12TF, 80CU with 1200 Mhz clock
Memory: 16GB Gddr6 Ram, 256-bit bus, 448 GB/s Bandwidth
Storage: 1TB NVMe drive
Launch: Spring 2020 400$

Basically I don't think Microsoft is doing a premium console anymore based on information from the French leak and Brad sams, it will be a cheap 1080p Disc-less console for 250-300$ and a mainstream console for 400$. PS5 and Xbox two+ (anaconda) will probably be identical in spec.

400$ might sounds cheap but here's my build:

Soc/Apu = 100$
Memory = 70$
Nvme drive = 50$
Rest = 150$
Total = 370$

Prices are based on speculation.

Even at 7nm, a chip with 8 CPU cores, 80 Compute Units and all the caches will be gargantuan, with about 500 mm² at the very least. 100$ per chip wouldn't even be enough to pay TSMC for the wafers, let alone make any profit for AMD. You can at least double the price for that just to make it covering the costs.

Also, just a 50$ NVME drive? If you really expect PS5 to be SSD only, then that's certainly not nearly enough. 80$ would be a better fit right now when buying in bulk.

As you can see, 400$ for your build are impossible, put at least another 100$ on top of it.

Finally, An Xbox 2 model being considerably less powerful than the One X doesn't make sense at all to me. I think it would at least match the One X in GPU performance, with the better CPU and possibly more RAM making the difference between the two.

There exists differents version of 7nm, a 7nm and a 7nm HPC (high performing computing), the non HPC 7nm has lower performance but should still beat 16/14nm. Amd is using the 7nm HPC for Vega 7 and it has a density of about 40 MTr/mm2 and Apple a12x that uses the normal 7nm has 80 MTr/mm2. My guess is Sony and microsoft will use the non 7nm HPC as they don't need high clock-speed as desktop computers do. So a 8-core zen2 + 80CU navi will be about 300mm2.

About the NVMe drive, 1TB costs slightly above $100 on newegg right now (intel 660p) but I expect 96-layer Nand will drive prices down 30% this year and 128-layer down another 30% next year (96-layer already in production and 128-layer ssd will hit production this summer). I'm sure that Sony and Microsoft has already hit a contract for 1TB NVMe drive for about $50 with 128-layer Nand flash.

The cheap Xbox (4TF Navi) will not play enhanced Xbox one X titles, it will play Xbox one S titles with improved FPS and maybe higher resolution for those titles under 1080p. I also thought 4TF didn't make much sense when I first saw it, but it actually makes perfect sense, game developers will target the cheap xbox first with 1080p and just simply scale up the resolution on PS5 and the more expensive Xbox. And if they want really high graphic fidelity they can target 1080p Checkerboard rendering (CB) for the cheap xbox and up the resolution to 4k CB for the other consoles.

Last edited by Trumpstyle - on 17 April 2019