Hiku said:
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thismeintiel said:
I'd say her being a Mary Sue is a HUGE issue for many, as the character we are supposed to be following and rooting for has no true arc or real flaws. It's just a bland character that is hard to get invested in. It doesn't help that it destroys the Force and Jedi mythos just as much as midichlorians did in TPM. Here's an individual who was born with all this power, yet somehow never showed any signs of it until halfway through the first film AND, by far the worst part, becomes the most powerful Jedi without earning it through any training whatsoever. I just don't understand how modern day writers, who are supposed to be these feminist allies, write such horribly bland female characters. It's as if they think it makes them a stronger character just by having her be handed her powers/skills because she is better than any man who had to earn them.
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Well I think it's fair to say that Luke is a bigger issue to many because of the huge legacy that character carries.
But as for Rey, as boring as I think those type of characters are, some stories have those naturally super talented people that get a lot of things handed to them.
(Anakin was a master pod racer at the age of 9) And they can explain those things in various ways. For example, in one series I'm following it was explained (several years after the series started) that these certain super talented characters subconsciously have access to all the combat experience of the generations that came before them.
And this type of writing is not unique to female characters by the way.
But that's the thing about Rey. She has at least one, if not more, movies left to potentially redeem herself. And for things to get explained that we didn't think would get an explanation. Rian Johnson seemingly wanted her parents to be no one special, but perhaps Abrams will have her be part of some special lineage after all. And maybe she'll have access to all the Skywalker's combat experience, similar to my example from a different series. Or maybe she had training, but lost her memory. Etc.
But Snoke? He might not get another chance to redeem himself. Holdo won't.
And Warp Drive seemingly doesn't go into another dimension, but just crashes through and destroys everything in its path, so I guess they could have just used that to destroy the Death Star in the first films.
Rose could somehow circle around Finn and slam into him even though he went at top speed. And then no one tried to shoot at them when they were running all the way back. And she stopped him from saving the day through sacrificing himself.
Great message... Except 5 minutes later, Luke sacrifices himself to save the day.
So it's ok for old people to do it? I'm not sure I understand.
Just some things that already crashed and burned, without a chance for redemption. Probably.
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I'm not saying the Luke thing wasn't a big issue, or even a bigger issue, I'm just saying the Mary Sue thing is pretty much right up there with it. People seem to complain about both the same amount, so I'd say it's probably something like the #1 issue is Luke's character and Rey being a Mary Sue is a close second. At this point, no poor retconning of her origin will fix her character, or power levels being maximum after just a few days of "training" herself. Of course, there was no real training, she just has those powers when she needs them. Really, I expect the third film to be a muddled mess with all of the rushed retconning they will have to do, as well as cramming in as much fan service they can to try to win back fans. Or they may not even try to explain away her powers other than she was the "chosen one." Which still doesn't work, because we already had a chosen one in the franchise, and even he got his ass kicked and his hand chopped off when he decided to go against a trained Sith. And only after years of training was he powerful enough to defeat him. Rey, on the other hand, has defeated Kylo twice and knocked Luke down, all with no training.
Yea, there is so much wrong with that film. Any audience member can come up with a strategy to defeat the Resistance after watching that shitty chase scene for 5-10 mins. Uh, tell your other ships to light speed in closer OR right in front of them OR you jump away and back closer, since you know where they are. Of course, the whole addition of fuel and running out of it completely ruins how Star Wars works. As well as somehow the well-funded Empire has slower ships than a ragtag resistance group? The lightspeeding through ships destroys every battle in the SW canon, now, since you could have a ship on autopilot or have a droid drive it into any large spacecraft the Empire might have. In the third film, if every space battle isn't solved this way, it will seem stupid on both sides for not doing it.
And forget 5-10 minutes later, Holdo does it with the whole lightspeed thing before she even gives that speech. Does that mean Rose doesn't respect her sacrifice and thinks it was a mistake? The whole movie is a mess of conflicting messages and ideas you would find in a 30 min comedy SyFy show.
