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Azzanation on 13 April 2019
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BasilZero said:

1. Wait, did you have a brain fart? You just said EGS doesnt do money hatting/buying timed exclusivity yet that is what they do.

Also what does your 2nd statement even mean? First party support on a store is normal (Hello Fortnite on EGS, Left 4 Dead/Half-Life/Portal on Steam, Mass Effect/Dragon Age on Origin, etc), what isnt normal is MS bringing their games outside of the Windows/Microsoft store to other platforms like Steam.

2. You cant outbid a moneyhat especially when deals are done behind closed doors and not known beforehand, this is something that was prevalent during last gen when MS did the same thing to Sony that Epic is doing to Steam now. 


Also the 12% cut being a pull is bullshit especially since there's a 0% cut when publishers sell Steam keys on their own storefront (i.e. Paradox, Squareenix Online Store and recently XSEED) where the games are far cheaper than on Steam store even during annual sales events and the publishers get 100% while Valve gets 0%.


Steam key generation is free as it is cited on the developer/publisher documentation: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys


3. First world problem imo

4. Lmao thinking the game is gonna be obsolete next year especially since Borderlands 2 (a game that came out back in 2012 - 7 years ago) still has a population of gamers: https://steamcharts.com/app/49520


Did you forget that there are no generations on PC? Games are now capable of being crossgen because they are released cross gen (i.e. Final Fantasy XIV for an example coming out on PS3 and PC first then the PS4 version came out - what makes you think that they wont re-launch the game next gen and still keep that capability especially when in connectivity with the PC platform which again has no generations: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/a_realm_reborn/sp/product/important_notices


5. "Monopoly" - Man, if you think the PC platform has a monopoly, better to have your definition of a "Monopoly" than Epic's "Competition".


6. Sounds like a personal problem to me - that or expand your tastes in gaming.

7. You complain that Steam is lazy because they dominated yet you want them to dominate? You cant have your cake AND eat it.

Also there's been stores for years on the PC market, just because a person signs up to one service doesnt mean they will abandon the service they've been using. We're not talking about subscription services like PSN+, XBLA, Nintendo Online - these are store fronts and DRM Launchers which are interchangeable unlike the walled gardens that are consoles.

1) Where does it say that I said there not moneyhatting or buying exclusives when it clearly stats what I said in my post and even you highlighted it? I said there not breaking any rules by doing so. That's not a very good start to this convo when your first sentence doesn't add up. Gulp.. Ill continue.

2) Steam doesn't have to outbid a money hat, maybe they should start moneyhatting themselves? Play it smart rather than not play it at all. And watch these games disappear.

3) Its a big inconvenience for some, like I said ill get it on Xbox now since Steam doesn't have the game until next year. Its not the end of the world. I just rather game on Steam.

4) If you like waiting 6 to 12months for highly anticipated games than more power to you. I don't like waiting hence my answer to No: 3.

5) Steam has held the PC monopoly for years, and Billion dollar corporations are starting to not place nice to win that market. As digital continues to grow, the bigger and meaner the competition is becoming. That's pretty obvious to see that.

6) Don't stress, I have plenty of options. I don't like waiting around for a game when I have plenty coming out. I wont be playing Borderlands 3 in 2020 I can tell you that.

7) I complain about Steam because they have given there long term supporters very little over the past years. Steam Box? Yeah okay. As a consumer, when you dedicate your hard earn money to a company you would also like to see that company invest more into there business that benefits there eco-system and customers. Instead we just hear how much Steam is earning with little return. They take but not give compared to there competition at this stage.

Steam got into the market with no competition and they have strived off that model for decades. Now they have some big fish entering the sea, TenCent being the main one here. They wont stop buying exclusives, they will do that until they gain enough ground. Instead of Steam countering there competition, it feels like there watching there competition grow and turn the PC market space into a 2 to 3 launcher system now. Valve are not a poor company, they have the leverage with customers and support, however how long do you think they can hold that mantle for? 

You can continue to be a blind supporter, but I will continue to be a passionate supporter here and say it how it is.