Brexit

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NightlyPoe said:

Scoobes said:

You didn't answer the question. What realistic alternative/amendment would you send back to them?

The UK (May) picked the UK's red lines knowing full well they weren't compatible with the UK's lawful commitments to the GFA. It's not EU intransigence to ensure international law and agreements are upheld. And as I said before, the backstop was the UK's idea, not the EU's. 

Can you provide a link for why you believe not having a backstop violates international law.  Because I'm not following the logic.

I think I've answered the question several times.  Remove the parts that are incompatible with UK sovereignty and vote on that.

It's not that they won't want trade, it's that they'll hold far more power over us during negotiations as they'll be in trading blocks whilst we're a single Country. The EU negotiations have been proving this for the past 3 years let alone Liam Fox's sham of a department. They'll also still have all their own trade agreements already in place whilst the UK will have erected trade barriers with our closest partners at best and have close to 0 deals at worst. How desperate will the UK look at that point?

Let's be honest, the snafus with the EU are almost entirely political.  If it were simply a matter of trade, the issues are manageable.  Yeah, there's a crap ton to negotiate, but nothing that can't be ironed out.  So that's a bad example.

The process would probably be different depending on which country.  As long as Trump's in office, we know a favorable deal with America is available at the very least.

How much actual sovereignty are you willing to give up for new trade deals?

Huh?

The backstop is meant to avoid a hard border in Ireland. Without the backstop there will be a hard border incoming, which would go against the Good Friday Agreement. Hence why Ireland is so adamant about it.

The backstop is a red line on both sides: It has to be in the deal for the EU, but can't be for the hardcore Brexiteers, as it has no time limit.

Here, the EU could actually make the UK a (poisoned) gift: Give the Backstop a time limit of several years. The catch? Northern Ireland voted to remain, and the remainers just grew larger and louder there. So it would be quite possible that NI would then call for a reunification poll within the Backstop time limit just to ensure staying in the EU. And if the mood is anywhere similar to what it is now, then they would win that vote, too.

@italic: Oh yeah, the deal will be favorable... but only for the US! Trump already said what the UK needs to do: Allow chlorinated chicken to be imported and privatize the NHS. Also, they could veto any other trade agreement, with China for example. Does that look like a fair deal to you? And what did you expect with America first?