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SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

I really dont care if a President does not lead by behavior as long as they get good stuff done. He has lead the country for like 2 years now so i'd say he has leadership qualities like working with others.

Do you really believe that or were you just joking?  I'm really hoping it's the latter.

I dont like evrything the dude does but there are some things that he has done well. And yeah he does work with others. Mose bills passed last congress were actually bipartisan and Trump never vetoed a bill last congress.

Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

I really dont care if a President does not lead by behavior as long as they get good stuff done. He has lead the country for like 2 years now so i'd say he has leadership qualities like working with others.

I understand you do not care if a President doesn't lead by behavior but then again you cannot dismiss it.  Its part of that person character and it still what motivates and moves that person.  A crime lord can do good as well but would you consider that great if he killed a lot of people to make it happen.  There is a big difference being President and actually being an effective president.  Can you show where he has been effective as President.  Where within his administration has he shone as being a good leader and effective in getting things done.  I am very interested in the list you can provide because I already provided one where he hasn't.

Like I said above he has done things i dong agree with but I think its crazy to say he has not doen anything good.

1. Lots of jobs created and wages have been increasing the quickest in a decade.

2. Millions of Americans are no longer on food stamps.

3.Tax bill helps small businesses and the middle class. It also helped the rich but meh.

4. A lot of deregulation.

5. Right to try which gives people the chance to test medication that might help them.

6. He has given lots of money to fight Opioid (Im 50/50 on this but most people would consider it a good thing).

7. Has been trying to reduce the cost of medicine.

8. Nominated Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the SC.

9. Ended the Iran nuclear deal.

10. Returning troops from the Middle East.

11. Has helped veterans with the Va Missions act or whatever it was called.

12. Started reforming the criminal justice system with the First Step Act.

13. ISIS almost defeated.

14. Giving more money to low income neighborhoods.

15. Investing more in AI.

16. Promoting School choice.

17. DoJ lawsuit to end affirmative action.

18. His policies to counter abortion.

There are probably more.