o_O.Q said:
"If you could find me a shooter that shot up a church because they wanted to dismantle the institution of christianity " that's not how this works, you made the argument that hostile rhetoric towards a group of people is enough to condemn the origin of that rhetoric if violence occurs towards that group of people "I think my overall issue is that I believe there's a connection between people who fear monger about muslims and crazy people that shoot them." church shootings as far as i know are typically perpetrated by atheists, off the top of my head dylan roof was an atheist and obviously my first reaction is are you consistent?
"I think you know there's a much more direct line between people that shoot muslims and the fear mongering that occurs about them than atheists saying that the institutions of religion should be destroyed and people shooting church goers." can you elaborate on that for me? giving your reasoning (which i disagree with) it seems to be the same thing to me
"This isn't about blame, it's about trying to get to the root cause of a problem" first off i'd like to point out that i don't have a problem with any group of people myself including muslims once they do not try to control other groups of people the root of the problem is fear over the demographics of the country changing which obviously candace owens commented on but its a fact that the demographics of the country are changing and people are going to deal with that fact in different ways some won't have a problem with it and may even embrace it, but other people like the atheists with christianity are fearful of the influence people with other ways of life may have on their lives i've asked someone else this question and now i'll ask you, how would you feel if the influence of christianity was expanding rapidly? |
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/13/universal/document-Dylann-Roof-manifesto.html
there's a link to Dylann Roof's manifesto. Let me know when you find "I listened to youtube antitheists and decided Christianity needed to be destroyed". Based on my reading the reason this guy shot up a black church is not because of the church part.
Now on the other hand, here's the manifesto of the New Zealand shooter:
https://observer.news/featured/the-manifesto-of-brenton-tarrant-a-right-wing-terrorist-on-a-crusade/
It's called "the great replacement". Bonus points if you can guess what that's about without reading it.
So there you go, find me a manifesto of a church shooter talking about how he wants to decrease the political influence of christianity and I'll agree with your link Before that, it's just you saying "they're an atheist so that's why they shot up a church". I'm not saying that this guy is conservative so conservative ideas are why he shot muslims. I'm saying that his writings show a clear link between a fear of muslims (something quite often perpetuated by those on the right) and the violence he enacted.
On the question of christianity: I already live in a country where christianity influences far too much of politics. It's not about christianity as a general concept but how it's applied. If there are reasons to be concerned about how the influence of islam is affecting western countries I'm happy to hear it out, but just generally talking about how there's more influence and that's scary doesn't help anyone.
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