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jason1637 on 13 March 2019
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Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

1. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be a career. If someone is working a minimum wage job then they did something wrong. Also if we get rid of welfare and social security then corporate taxes can be decreased which will let business to be able to pay their workers more.

So much wrong with this.
1) Getting rid of welfare and social security does not guarantee tax reductions.
2) Lower taxes does not guarantee higher wages.
3) Not enough high-paid career jobs for everyone.

There are plenty of nations with welfare/social security and low taxes, higher wages.

And on the flip side... Trickle-down economics which you seem to enjoy, doesn't always work.

jason1637 said:

2. A higher minimum wage does not mean much because the markets would end up adjusting. Even though Australia has a higher minimum wage their poverty rate is at 13.2% while it's 12.3% here in the US.

Poverty is very different here in Australia than in the US.
Everyone for example is entitled to healthcare and dental.

https://www.news.com.au/national/how-would-your-life-compare-australia-vs-us-where-it-counts/news-story/8a2f2142a8681e00129551519db6a8f3

Markets don't really "adjust" as much as you think, not with such a globalized economy these days, the internet tends to keep companies humble.

jason1637 said:

Investments don't always work out in the end but it's still an option and if you invest wisely the returns can be really good.

If someone becomes unemployed then they should look for another job.

Which is the entire point of "social security". - To provide people financial security.

Of course they should look for another job, but sometimes they aren't available in certain geographical areas until economic conditions improve.

jason1637 said:

3. Well depressions don't happen all the time and eventually go away with time. Yeah it will hurt people financially but that's just how it is.

The USA is still feeling the effects of the last one, in-fact the majority of the developed world is. (Only South Korea and Australia avoided the worst of it out of the developed world AFAIK.)

jason1637 said:

4. If you have a medical condition you should take your meds lol. There is a difference between taking medication and getting addicted.

You didn't stipulate the differences.
Still, if you are unemployed/low-income earner, how do you propose they buy said required medication?

jason1637 said:

5. If you invest in communities the standad of living will increase which will allow people to get better jobs so a mother can afford food and an old women can buy insulin.

There isn't a guarantee that more jobs will be created or the standard of living will increase.

jason1637 said:

6. The people that actually need help can get help through the government investing in lower income communities and through charities. They don't need a government handout.

It's not just a "Government handout". - It does allot of good socially and economically.

It's a blatant fact that those who are poor tend to spend the vast majority of their income, where-as the wealthy tend to leave it sitting in a bank, it's not money being reinvested in local communities or frequently taxed.

I had a whole reponse typed and ready to send but i accidentally closed the tab and dont feel like retyping the whole thing so i'll try to summarize what I was going to write.

I dont agree with the way tricke down economics was handled in the 80s. If we were to cut these programs we should decreases taxes only on the middle, poor class, and corperations not on the rich. While doing that we should invest some of the money the government would still be generating into low income communities which would actually help the wealth trickle down. 

I actually agree with the US switching to a single payer healthcare system. It would be better than what we have now. Also the link you posted is very outdaated. Unemployment and poverty in the US are now under Australia and the median household income has almost doubled since 2011. And Australians living more than Americans really has to do more with our terrible choice of food we eat here in the US.

Yeah but being unemployed for a very long period of time is pretty rare. If someone is unemployed for a few years i'd say that they are probably doing something wrong.

Yeah we are feeling the affects of the terrible welfare programs started by FDR. (That was a joke, I honestly dont know if were still feeling the affect of the depression so can't really say much on that).

In the US we pay more for medicine than in other countries. I dont believe that the government should buy it for people but they should try to make it so that its cheaper for us so it can be easier for the unemployed and poor to buy them.

If we invest in low income communities more people will pursue education instead of crime which will allow them to get better jobs and allow them to provide for their family more. It does not create new jobs but there are already plently of job out there and a lot being created everyday.

And we should invest in these communities so there are less poor people instead of just giving them stuff because that won't really help them in the long run.