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potato_hamster on 05 February 2019
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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

I was talking about the meaningful third party support. Do you realize how many hundreds of third party games the Wii had made for it that was called "shovelware"? The Wii had poor third party support despite all that shovelware. So for all practical purposes its about quantity of quality titles. That's what I'm focusing on. It doesn't matter if the Switch has two dozen first party games coming out every month it doesn't actually make the platform more attractive to the average prospective buyer in a meaningful way.

You still don't seem to get that Dask Souls and Diablo 3 are two third party games in two years that you keep bringing up as "great system selling games" when the fans of those games have been able to play those games on multiple platforms, multiple times for years and years, because again, they're are ports of games that are several years old. Look I get that as a Nintendo fan, if you do the vast majority of your gaming on a Nintendo platform,  this might be a bigger deal to you because you haven't actually had the opportunity to play these games before.  But you need to understand that Nintendo fans that only game on Nintendo hardware are the only people that haven't had access to these games for years. SO again, the fact that you bring these titles ups is indication that third party support on the Switch actually isn't all that good. Last's years third party support was poor at best. This years third party support from announced titles is still poor but slightly less poor. Let me put it to you this way - going from a 30% grade in course to a 40% is an improvement, but it's still a failing grade.

See that's the difference between me and you. You're holding Nintendo to a different standard. It has solid third party support "for Nintendo", but for any other platform, it would widely be considered poor. The vita is a prime example of this - it's third party support is actually kinda similar to the Switch, yet it was vastly panned as having little meaningful third party support, as most of it's third party titles catered to niche audiences that weren't expected to sell that high. Yet, here you are giving Nintendo a free pass, and pretending that because the Switch is getting better third party support than Nintendo systems have for years, it's going to lead to more Switch sales, when in actual fact the gap is still so large that the Switch's third party support is still a factor attracting people to platforms other than the Switch. It's simply not good enough if Nintendo wants to keep its sales momentum while it's first party studios work on their next batch of titles, and to be frank, it's not even really close to being enough.

I dont see how Wii has anything with this? Games I mentioned are not shovelware at all. Games that I mentioned are quality titles. More games makes platform more attractive in any case, that espacily goes when we talk about good and quality titles (even if they are old ports), not to mentioned Nintendo and exclusive Switch games.

Pls stop moving goal posts, you also keep saying things that I never said, stop doing that if you want to have normal discusion, I never said even nearly anything similar like "great system selling games" for any game that I mentioned. I said that for some people games that I mentioned because full handheld mode are big deal, and those are kind of people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games can push them to buy Switch, same like this "Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games (despite good part of them are old ports), and that Switch 3rd party support is incrasing in any case". You have problem realising that some people because full handheld mode can be intrested about some 3rd party games even they played them before, also dont act that every person played every older game in any case. Real word is "better" than last year, not little less poor, lol.

Reality is that no one ever said that Switch (or any other Ninetndo platform) can or have same 3rd party support like other platforms, so its pointles to compare that support with PS4/XB1, and thats why people more comparing 3rd party support with past Nintendo systems. So its not point about free pass at all, when someone say that Switch has good 3rd party support for Nintendo system. Fact is that when Switch or any other platform has more games and more diverse games (yes, that counts old ports and Indies, not just AAA current gen games), means lineup of that platform is more apealing and that lead to more desairible product and better sales. I wouldnt be woried about Switch momentum on your place, Switch in 2018. sold more than it did in 2017. and in 2019. will sell more than it did in 2018.

The more we speak the more I'm convinced that your biggest problem is your reading comprehension or your understanding of English. You missed all of my points entirely  even though they were very clearly laid out for you, and then you accused me of "moving the goalposts, and arguing against points you never made" by literally making the same point I've been making over and over in different ways to try and get through to you, and then you argue against points I never made.

This is pointless to continue, so I won't.