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Chazore said:

You've said it before and no, I'm not "kidding" myself. It still hasn't brought on the features that Steam has had going for itself over the years, it still shows all the mobiles games, that I cannot perma filter that Steam still offers. Why does it even have Candy crush on there anyway, when Steam itself doesn't?.  

Lets wait and see what MS do next gen with the platform, features will come but I think atm there focus is on there console division. And lets not compare Mobile games on Live compared to broken half finished games on Steam.. Its a sad state atm for Steam and that there Greenlit program has become utter trash to me. I have found some good gems out of the 1000 trash games that Valve let in yearly.

It also shows off what's been trending with friends, as well as giving me the list of special offers up front, not to one side, with one game having a special offer like SoT. Steam at least separates their software side in a totally different tick list entirely, but on Win 10 store, all software, be it mobile, games or anything else, is seemingly shoved in your face with varying box sizes, almost like it's treated like a phone store, let alone a Windows 8 store (which is the OS they've chosen to ignore since 10, tiles and all). Nothing from their storefront screams "designed for PC gamers in mind" at all.

Win10 is not suppose to be an open App like Steam or GoG, its a closed format for PCs, basically a Console in your PC, and they have to do that because they have to control there IPs and there audiences or they will end up with lawsuits out the ass. They have a quality of assurance they have to live up to for there customers. Steam is known to have hackers and yes other platforms do as well, but Steam takes the cake here, You know what Nintendo and Sony do with there platforms, they control it to reduce the affects.  

Steam is awesome when it comes to those features, I am not disagreeing on that part, however the Tile system that MS uses is a based on your preference, I don't mind it so it doesn't bother me.

I understand you play games for the features that Steam offers, guess what, not everyone wants that, there are many gamers like myself who just want to use Steam to play there games without the mods and hacks and everything else.

When is Gears 2-3 going to be released on PC might I ask, and when will MS go about fixing QB and Gears Remastered on PC?. I don't care if it works on your rig, it doesn't work on mine or other people's PC's, as I had to find out, because you know, Win 10 store doesn't come with built in user reviews, let alone a forum to find out how to sort out the game's issues, but that's totally fine to excuse isn't it?. 

Guess what, I have heaps of Issues where games don't work on Steam for me, games crashing and are full of bugs are not exclusive to the Win10 Store. Also Gears Ultimate has the entire collection in it, maybe it might cross over once next gen starts, who knows.

Diligaf with your "it's non debatable, I win hands down" bullcrap, that's not how it works at all mate. |YOu deliver non stop and never trip up at all, not when you've got an insanely large company and cheque book to match.

That fact you choose not to accept is that everything over time improves just like how Steam has improved over the decades its been on the market. It did not happen over night, than again I wouldn't know if you knew that because for all I know, you only jumped on Steam a couple years ago. Hence why I asked the question how long you been using Steam. But you gave no answer so it must not be a proud answer to give.

It hasn't improved over time, because gamers like myself have been pointing this out, as well as waiting for 4+ sodding years, while people like you needlessly defend it to the death, while using ad-hominem arguments, as well as mirror ones, attacking the other storefront, to negate any criticism thrown at the one being questioned (calling it right the hell now). Sotes like PC gamer have also pointed this out:

Its a known fact Valve hasn't done much lately aside from sitting on there throne soaking in the money, so at least I am willing to admit that Valve has become lazy and un-motivated, and Valve is in my top 3 companies of all time. I love them and they use to be my number 1. But with the lack of support for there own IPs I had no choice but to drop them down. So maybe its you needlessly defending a company to death, even when the proof is right in your face.

Two years ago they promised, and nothing came of it. It's about the store, not the Xbox designed games.

The Store isn't perfect but it can play games and it can play a huge library of games not available anywhere else.

Asking me how long I've used Steam for, from a profile that's kept private, you're asking me this?, or are you asking me this top pull the oh so obvious "no you're the fake one"?.

That says a lot about you already. 

I've had my own experience with Steam and other clients over the years, with GoG being my go to for what the title says on the tin (shouldn't need explaining as to what the name spells out), with Steam being my place for the majority of games, Battle.net for WoW and Warcraft/Heroes of the Storm (All of them always online based, which very much sucks compared to the games I can play on Steam, both in offline mode for games and client), as well as Origin for Battlefield, but now that client sees far less use due to the dead games being sold on that storefront, as well as EA denying to adhere to Belgium's laws, as well as my Island's, a case which they have recently lost I might add.

The lack of quality control has been changed up over the years, thanks to the advent of the discovery queue and of course, the ability to flat out block games from being seen again and to top it all off, being able to block entire genres from popping up, something which no other storefront allows for. See, I know what your kind scream, you want "curation", but what is shit to you can be good to someone else, so you would rather say "nah, fuck what you think" and instead have their games blocked from being sold onto the storefront, simply because you think your way is superior for everyone else. Curation itself is entirely a subjective one, and one that can never be objective, because one man's trash, is another man's treasure. 

Other Storefronts don't need to block games because that's part of there already existing QA teams, something Valve wasn't doing well for the past few years. Its not about "Fuck what you think" its about "Stop allowing trashy games to your customers" Having control is not always a bad thing. Just look at Nintendo and what they have done for the industry.

Valve are still making games like I've said before, just not ones *you* want, and that's fine, because guess what?, Ubisoft doesn't make games I want and I have to live with that on a daily basis, so why shouldn't you?. Valve are making VR games for those who want VR experiences, something which OR and PSVR are doing, so why can't Valve dabble with VR?. Valve also have their own card game, just like Blizzard does, as well as CDP with Gwent, why can't Valve have one of their own?. Blizzard came late to the game with their Moba, why can't Valve have their own?. MS are clearly late to the XCOM game, why can't MS have their own tactics game?. Please tell me why, and answer me directly without changing the subject, I want actual answer to these questions properly. 

I am looking forward to Black Mesa Xen (Ironically not made by Valve themselves) and there future VR projects, all companies can make what ever type of games they want, difference is that MS  and others actually still make AAA games while still making A to AA games. Valve haven't released a AAA game since god knows when.

it doesn't matter if you don't care for those features, that doesn't make them suddenly non important for everyone else. Me and plenty of others out there value those features, because they are something that both give us more value, more options and more reasons to keep using Steam, you know, to actually make you want to use the client. Modding has been a thing for PC gaming for decades, so it's something PC gamers cherish, and that's something I want to see across all other clients, yet said clients refuse to support something that's a common staple on PC. Hell, people are already modding Resi 2 with different character models already and that's honestly amazing to see.

I can argue that not everyone wants all those features and are just happy to have the convivence of playing there console games on there PC without buying a console. Features are useless if you don't have the games to use them on. Example -  Gears 4 doesn't offer mod support or any of Steams features, but you know what, at least you can actually play Gears 4 on Win10 Store, better than not playing it at all. That goes with all future Xbox/PC releases.

Valve clearly don't offer you games you want, just like Ubisoft don't offer me both features and games I want, instead they treat me like a pirate, despite me not being one, by shoving layers upon layers of DRM to their client and forcing you to use it by default, even if you purchase from other clients as well. The difference is, one of those companies has some sense of decency and dignity, the other flat out doesn't care and was scared of losing it's head to another French company (fancy that, both french companies had families that were against each other, who would have thought..) a few years back (That's what you get for being publicly traded).

I don't mind if Valve bring out smaller titles, but as a frustrated Valve fan, I want something big from them and I am happy to wait as long as its pure Valve quality. But Valve needs to get in contact with there customers and tell us instead of remaining silent all these years giving us the belief they gave up making games.

Epic is being anti-consumer as of late, but to you, you don't care about it at all, all you care about is seeing something burn, because it didn't make you a new game. You would rather something that provides options and features be burned to ash, because it didn't craft a game specifically for you. You would rather a company backed by a Chinese one (which shares user data I might add, and steals other people's likeness for their games without permission) just up and take all the games away from everyone else, leaving us with far less options to choose from, and simply be forced into something else.

Exclusives are bad for consumers, but there smart for businesses, in the PC space it doesn't affect me as much as it affects you because I am at least happy I can play the game on my rig instead of buying a another platform just to play a game. I didnt want to buy a PlayStation or a Switch, hence why PSNow would work wonders for me. It offers access.

You don't like PC gaming at all, you just want it to be a mirror of console gaming. Locking games to stores is anti competitive and anti-consumer. 

Hmm, you sound desperate there. Lets say this, I would pick PC gaming over any form of console gaming if I had to choose, thank the lords I am finically stable to have a few more options in my house. I think you just hate the fact I actually enjoy MS games.

I'd honestly wish your kind out of PC gaming tbh, because you'd rather see what I cherish to burn, and for that I loathe you. 

Sounding even more desperate with that one. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Now all that took awhile for me to response to as well I have been busy at work but I hope I gave you the answers you called for.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 31 January 2019