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Agente42 on 28 January 2019
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The_Liquid_Laser said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Oh I see I didn't go through the thread.

But yes reading the article they said it would take a long time to recoup the cost of RND into the PS3. As well as the money lost for each sale as they are sold at a loss. But this was 2008. The PS3 slim and super slim came in. They sold millions and milllions of software especially 2009 and onwards and by the time the PS3 came 5 years after that article I'm sure they ended up making money and it was a successful product. They sold almost 87 million of the things.

Nope.  It lost them tons of money until the PS4 came out.  


Keep in mind that the PSP was (mostly) making them money during these same years.  But the PS3 was just this giant money toilet which flushed away all of their profits.

thismeintiel said:

I don't see them doing a $499 box.  They did it with PS3 and it didn't work out, not until the PS3 dropped to $399, and even more so at $299.  MS did it this gen, and they are going to end up being out sold by more than 2:1.  While $499 is a little more acceptable now, and will probably be acceptable in a few more years, I just don't think it sells right now.  Sony will also be subsidizing the console, like they always do.  So, it may cost $449-$499 to make, but Sony would still sell it for $399. 

And trust me, they aren't going to force VR on people.  MS tried it with Kinect and it doesn't work.  Plus, Kinect was "only" a $100 mark up, while VR would be something more like a $200-$300 mark up.  Not going to happen.  Also, considering Sony has never lost WW to Xbox, I highly doubt the PS5 will, either.  It just has too much going for it, including B/C with PS4.  Which seems even more interesting, since apparently Sony, according to one of their patents, is going to be pushing remaster packs (with higher res textures, maybe even higher geometry for models) for PS4 games on PS5.  That could be a big selling point for the 100M+ people who own a PS4, especially if its only $10-$20 for the pack instead of paying $60 for a remastered game.

Everything you are saying is a smart strategy.  I would like to get an official announcement from them though.  

I don't put it past any of the big 3 to do something dumb.  I don't really think their companies are dumb so much is that they are vulnerable to hubris.  Nintendo is probably the worst, but all 3 have had their blunders in the past based on hubris.  I don't think it is a coincidence that Sony's biggest blunder, the PS3 came right after their biggest success, the PS2.  Just like the Wii U followed the Wii, because Nintendo was too full of themselves to release a smart console at the time. 

Nintendo was humbled by the Wii U and released the Switch.  That was a smart move.  I think XBox's entertainment division has been humbled by the XB1, so I wouldn't be surprised if their next console is more solid all around.  Sony?  They are currently very successful.  That is a dangerous place to be.  This is where they can actually prove if they have learned their lesson from the PS3.  It was easy for Sony to be humble when they released the PS4.  If they can release another $399 console without any baggage again, then they will have shown that they've learned their lesson.  But I have to wait until the official announcement before I pass judgement one way or the other.

Like i saying before, the PS3 was not a case of sucess