Global Hardware 15 December 2018

[Bofferbrauer2]

DonFerrari said:

Bofferbrauer2 said:

@bolded: That's a fallacy, because while it works on a global scale and in Europe, in the US there's quite some difference (PS360 sold almost exactly as much as PS2+XB+GC combined in the US - and GC sold over 12M there, too much to leave out) and in Japan you'll flat out have to include the Nintendo console for this to even just work (otherwise PS2=PS3+PS4+360+XBO; and that's without factoring even the OG Xbox); future will also tell us how far the PS4+X1 works regionally. In other words, it's a false positive. Even worse, If PS4+XBO only reach around last gen's numbers, that in practice would mean a net decrease due to the all the people who upgraded mid-gen.

@underlined: Did you not read or just didn't understand (or didn't want to understand) what I wrote? PS4 and XBO would probably have sold one or 2 million more from customers who were interested before but choose to buy a Switch instead since then, not that the entirety of Switch buyers would have bought a PS4 or XBO instead. Most of the other Switch buyers either have another console already, play non-Nintendo games on PC or got bought for kids from their parents.

@italic: So PS4 outselling Xbox as told on the forum is a hoax? I never said that everybody who bought a Switch left their other console int he dust afterwards, and neither did I imply that everybody who got a Switch buys their third party games there, just that some people do - and sorry to open your eyes, but that's the definition of direct competition. What you just don't seem to grasp is that the Switch isn't a big competition when it comes to third party games (at least not yet, but I also doubt it ever seriously will, though technically it's not impossible) and thus people who want to buy those most of the time will buy Xbox, Playstation or a PC instead, not because the Switch isn't competition, but because it's (and really Nintendo) not known for those kind of games.

Sure it will change when looking per region or country, as will change the demography of these countries in 5 or 10 years.

Do you have any source for 15M of Switch buyers this year already having other console? And if they have that pretty much show they aren't competing directly if costumer think they need both.

If Nintendo console doesn't offer 3rd party and thus won't sell for customers who want a console that have 3rd party games, that again put it not in direct competition.

But you need to decide yourself. Because in one point you put that most of Switch buyers have another console or PC, and in the other you say that people that want 3rd party wont buy Switch.

I'm just showing you why not everybody who bought a Switch would have bought a PS4 or XBO instead and why, and that the Switch probably only cost about 1-2M sales to the PS4 and XBO until now, simply because most people still buy those consoles for third party titles. But not everybody does, and some prefer being able to play these on the go, thus buying them on the Switch and thus providing direct competition. Is that really so hard to understand or do you twitch around my words on purpose?