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colafitte said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

1. If a pricecut would only affect 1M in sales, I'm very sure Sony wouldn't even bother.

2. TLOU2 may be bigger than GoW (not so sure about Spiderman anymore), but the first one is on the PS4 as well, so it's Playerbase most probably has a PS4 already. Same goes for RE2, Division 2, DMC5 and Anthem (which basically is just EA's version of the Division), while Rage is much smaller than the other named games. That leaves KH3, which should be in the ballpark of MHW at best. Days Gone and Dreams look nice, but I don't believe that they have nearly as much draw power as Spiderman or GoW, and I seriously doubt Death Stranding getting released this year.

4. PS4 has been down by 2M despite an outstanding games lineup. Like I explained before, I think this year's PS4 lineup, while miles away from bad, isn't just as stellar as last year's lineup, and saturation is starting to kick in more and more. Oh, and if PS5 and XBN are not yet on the horizon, why then is there so much talk about them? They haven't been officially unveiled yet, but their hype is slowly mounting all while the one of the PS4 and XBO are slowly deflating. That's not saying that the PS4 won't sell well anymore, I just don't see it doing anywhere near 17M anymore, 13-15M is more what I would expect.


TLOU II, i can guarantee you is going to be way bigger than GOW and Spiderman. TLOU is the most popular mainstream game Sony has, by far. TLOU remastered must have sold 10M  only on PS4 (more than the original on PS3) and it was just a port/remaster. Its popularity is huge and everytime there is a news about TLOU there is this anticipitacion in number of views on videos, number of comments in threads, news, etc that any other PS exclusive haven't match ever. TLOU II is going to be the biggest and most succesful PS launch when it launches and i'm pretty sure it will beat Spiderman and GOW records of sales in its first 3 days. As for the rest i was naming just a few. We still don't know what games will be during 2nd half of the year but as of right now, PS4 still has the best library of games any console can offer right now, so people will still want to buy a console in 2019.

Like i said, PS4 lineup this year is probably going to be as good as 2017 and 2018. And when i say PS5 and next box are not yet in the horizon, i mean "officially". When PS5 becames officialy announced is when PS4 sales will start to drop more seriously, but until then??, just a normal drop YOY. What i'm pretty sure is that without any official PS5 yet in 2019, PS4 won't fall from 18M to 13M, even without pricecuts, that't simply just too much. No PS console has drop so much YOY without a new console officially coming so it won't happen. 15-16M should be the lowest anyone must expect PS4 doing in 2019.

One year ago, I would have agreed. By now however, not so much anymore.

Sure, TLOU sold 17M but that was between 2 consoles with many buying the game again on the PS4. If it only would have been released on one console, I think it would "only" have sold between 11 and 13M, the rest being double dips. PS4 got Spiderman and that one sold through 9M until BF and certainly is in those 11-13M by now; add to that the likes of RDR2 (who also sold about as much on the PS4 alone) and you got already 2 against 1 (I don't count CoD or Fifa and the like because they're annualized and their audience is already on the platform anyway) and GoW is probably bigger than anything else that will come out next year. Hence why I think next years lineup is weaker than this years.