colafitte said:
He has the right to not like what was said about him here, but he had no right to insult every member of this forum for something EVERY GAMING FORUM can be accused of. It was totally inapropiate, and if i dare to say, in a very coward manner, using a way more popular forum to put people against this forum. He probably doesn't like to fight their numbers against VGC because it goes against his interests for his twiter account popularity, and he knows his numbers are more close to the official numbers, so he is more reliable to get real numbers (most people here agree on that), but VGC never lied about its numbers. VGC numbers are not official, they're just the work of using current info to bring a closer aproximation of what the actual numbers of gaming sales are. VGC makes continually adjustments to get close to official data every time now and then. No one here says that you have to trust VGC numbers against any other media or info available for gaming selling numbers. And VGC forums, and its members have way more and better discussions about sales that what i see in other sites. VGC doesn't deserve such behavior from NPD leakers or other gaming forum members. Mat Piscatella and Benji are very valuable posters in Resetera, but they not only give numbers, they give opinions too. So, the moment they start doing that, people will react always. Compared to ZhugeEX, he express his opinions in forums at a minimum giving mostly only facts and numbers, so almost nobody discuss anything he says. That's how gaming forum works. They're going to be always people that are against what you said or think, and if they're not...., well, it doesn't talk very well about diverstiy of opinions and free speech then. |
Sure he have the right to be pissed if he want. My point is that the last 3 know NPD leakers from Era (not considering ZhugEx) where total divas that wanted to determine where numbers could be put, their authority couldn't be challenged, etc.
Intrinsic said:
Very well said. Agree completely. Of all the number posters my all time favorite and still my favorite has been ZhugeEX. Thats how you do it. He says what he has to say and keeps it to the facts of it. No one has ever argued with him. These other numbers leakers are really just entitled brats if you ask me. And thrive in communities like Gaf and Era because those communities have a hive mentality. Its almost like talking to a forum of one. And I don't think thats healthy. And mind you.... I am a member of Era. Never posted n there though. Benji was never on my radar until now and for the wrong reasons..... if you don't want what you say to be challenged? Then keep your mouth shut. And this is why I like VGC...... its a sesspool of very opinionated people and while we get extremes of it atimes thats pretty normal. The mods keep things civil but all opinions no matter how ridiculous are allowed to be expressed here. Anyone can be called out. No exceptions.
This year the switch is going to do around 16M at best. Which is great but a far cry from then going on to do 25M in sales the next year. Its currently at 11M s its even generous saying it will sell 5M consoles in the last 5 weeks of 2018. I dont know how some in the ninty camp see these things or if they are mixing up shipped and sold numbers.. but whatever it is its just unrealistic. Can they do 18M or even 19M in sales next year? Absolutely and more in line with what I would expect... but 20M and up is very unrealistic to me. I am very very very curious to know what people feel the sales drivers are going to be to make it go from a 15M -16M year to a 20M - 25M year though. |
Best yet is people thinking Nintendo will overship 2-3M to hit the 20M (not sure why they think retailers would take it), and if they already have 3M extra stock (selling 17M in that situation) for they to ship over 25M they would need to sell even more than 25 (about 50% increase). That doesn't seem feesible at all.
Miyamotoo said:
You have some problem with reading or understanding point that someone is trying to make, you keep replying to people things they didnt wrote. I am right, I never said that Nintendo is wining US markets, I said that for Nintendo US market is strongest market while Europe is strongest market for Sony, and thats a fact. Nintendo is selling most if its consoles on US market while Sony selling most of its console on Europe market simple as that, MS also selling also most of consoles to US (but Xbox brand is generally much weaker on any other market). For your information, despite Japan prefers handheld mostly, Nintendo handhelds also sold most in US not in Japan.
When people talking about hole year they talking about shipped numbers because those are only official numbers we getting from Nintendo, this year Switch will maybe even hit their target of 20m shipped units, 18-19m is like minimum they will ship. Next year more than 20m is very likely. Even Wii had only year with 26m shipped units, not sold units, no one said that Switch can sell 25m in 2019. |
So if Nintendo ship 20M with having 2M overship compared to sales, they shipping 25M on FY19 is reality very slim chance.
thismeintiel said:
100% agree. Especially about the discussions, even those outside of sales. We have a large mixed crowd here from all sides of the spectrum, both politically and in terms of gaming preference. We can have heated conversations about anything, and as long as things don't get personal, those conversations are allowed to continue. On ResetEra, if you don't agree with the hive, you will be moderated. Even banned.
Strange we have people predicting 25M for next year, when it's looking very questionable that they can even hit the 20M they predicted for this year. If they have a great lineup, coupled with a permanent cut to $199, I could see it happening. Maybe. The Wii hit 25M+ its second full FY on the market, at the height of Wii fever. Switch is a popular console, but I don't see the same fervor around it that surrounded the Wii earlier in its life. |
And it's like two faced knife. If it can't sell 20M and they ship 20M (expected 2-3M surplus) they will have a very hard time shipping 25M (over 25M sales or 50% increase). If they don't ship 20M because they sell 18M, then 18M to 25M shipment is still gigantic increase.
flashfire926 said:
Doesnt matter. Still gonna reach 80 million without a doubt. I'll bet on it. Its tracking ahead of the 3DS by a good margin, and will never fall behind it, so it get to 80M off that alone. Yes motion control is what sold the wii. However it was pushed by nintendo's games itself. Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mariokart, Smash Brawl, Galaxy, etc. Wii Sports and Fit in particular, the wii wouldnt have been such a success without them. Wii U was horribly botched with bad marketing and a confusing name that made it seem like some tablet add-on. It didnt help the casual market migrated to mobile, either. The difference with the Switch is that we're seeing a unified first party that when are combined, can absolutely do 80 million without a doubt. Keep in mind this is the first home console with mainline pokemon on it, something that will sell north of 15 million copies (we just saw a taste of whats to come with lets go). |
I like your certaintude that it won't ever fall behind no doubt.
And please explain to me how the name from WiiU becoming Wii2 or SuperWii would make sales not drop 85% gen over gen.
Intrinsic said:
Ok. So now I am being narrow minded....... You would have been better off adding fortnite to your argument. As that is a very popular digital only game. But ok. its off your opinion that indies sell hardware? Its off mine they don't. And for the reasons I have pointed out. I think its safe to say this debate has ran its course because now you are bordering alon the lines of insults. So how about we agree to disagree? |
Just to remember that almost no game is real system seller, it is usually a stream of great games. But yes I'm yet to hear anyone saying they bought a console for some Indie.
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
He's not wrong. Individual indie games don't sell consoles for the most part, but the steady flow of them does. It's the same concept but to a lesser extent with Nintendo's 2nd tier/3rd tier franchises. Mario Tennis Aces might not sell as many consoles as Zelda but it all goes towards a net benefit. |
He is wrong on the premises he made. People don't buy the console to play indies even if their presence help people having games to play. They still help almost 0 when compared to the stream of great 1st parties released.
Shadow1980 said:
A more accurate comparison would be to use calendar years. PS4 (2014): 4.70M Second-year Sales, Jan.-Nov. PS4 (2015): 4.15M
PS4: 8.85M
The only reason the XBO has maintained a lead is because of its far superior launch and how well it's done during the holidays. It's Jan.-Oct. sales were nothing spectacular. Except for the Feb.-July period of 2015, the XBO's non-holiday sales have been consistently worse than the 360's. But it's the holidays, and especially November, where the XBO has made up for that. It wasn't until 2011 that we started to see big Black Friday discounts from retailers, and it wasn't until this generation that Sony & MS started to issue official temporary price cuts during the holidays. As a result, the XBO's November's blew the 360's out of the water for four years straight, and has given it slightly better Decembers so far. The XBO also had the second-biggest launch of any system launched in Q4, surpassed only by the PS4, whereas the 360 had quite the mediocre launch thanks to supply constraints. |
Yes I remember that and I agree with you.
And if the reason Xbox 1 kept ahead of X360 was its launch sales, how can anyone arguee that the reveal is really the cause for the drop against X360 5 years after the fact (while it didn't prevent it to have great launch)?
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
