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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

What Shadow posted goes against your point, not for it. Hes saying that inflation is something that needs to be considered. $400 was considered too expensive for a new console in the 90s while it is a fair price in the 2010s.

Because that is within the context of our conversation. You said PS4 launched at $100 more than PS2, I responded that adjusted for inflation they had the same launch price, you then responded about mental barriers. Your $299/399 vs $300/400 example is true but does not relate to our discussion because we are talking about devices that released 13 years apart, not devices that were on the market side by side.


Yes, they weren't able to ramp production because at that time it was already too late, Switch sales were far stronger than they anticipated for a Spring launch. Wii U shipped 3.06m in its first month which was below expectations and caused them to drop their fiscal year forcast from 5.5m to 4.0m.

Launch is but one point, and we are at year 5 and talking about the tracking being still ahead for PS4 after 5 years. So the curve showing that PS2 never costed more than PS4 even adjusted for inflation, but still had a lower pricetag.

If you think inflation is always on people mind you'll say no one ever have a mind bug when they see old movie representation and a coke at 25 cent?

Will you dispute that technology even with inflation have pricetags lower for better performance after every year?

So mind barrier for 299/300 is true but 299/399 isn't? Now you lost me. You want to make strawman and then can't match the points. Yes PS4 and PS2 are over a decade apart but still pricetag impression will be relevant.

So WiiU at launch had 3.06m on first month but Switch would have been over 4.5M, ok. And 6 months is short time for them, but they would have planned totally different for holiday because they have crystal ball. If they could sell more launching at holiday and even hit market earlier, why did they choose the odd period almost no one ever launched before?

You are the one who brought up launch price, not me. And yes PS4 is currently higher priced than PS2 in the same time frame adjusted for inflation. But that brings up the fact that in the last 8 or so years we have seen a transition from regular permanent price cuts to temporary holiday discounts which has shifted sales to be more Q4 heavy than they previously were. I'm sure Shadow can back me up on this.

I never once said it's on people's minds, I said it's something that needs to be factored in as in $300 in 2000/2001 had the same buying power as $400 in 2013/2014.

That is not remotely close to what I'm saying and if that's how you interpreted it than you arent paying attention. Pricetag impression in not relevant because nobody in the world thinks about the price of PS2 13 years ago when buying a PS4 now.

When did I say Switch would ship 4.5m first month, who's the strawman now? I compared the difference between Switch & PS4 first month projections to show how different launch periods determine the amount a console manufacturer expects to sell. I never said Switch would ship 4.5m first month, I said Nintendo would have taken the proper steps in the months leading up to launch to have more than 2m consoles available because Nintendo knows that demand is higher in Nov/Dec than it is in March, that's just common sense.

Why did they launch in March vs holiday? Who knows, ask someone who works at Nintendo. There are many potential reasons such as launch/post-launch software not being ready or because it was a period with less direct competition.

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