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Conina on 11 November 2018
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Miyamotoo said:
Conina said:

No, I'm saying that Apple had a gaming revenue of 16.3 billion dollar in 1H 2018 and that their cut of that revenue was 4.4 billion dollar.

These 4.4 billion dollar aren't 100% profit, since they will have some expenses to keep their servers running, pay internet traffic and pay support people. But probably 90% of the 4.4 billion dollar are profit, so around 4.0 billion dollar. The full year 2018 will be a profit of at least 8 billion dollar (the christmas quarter is usually a lot stronger).

For comparison, the operating income of Sony's gaming segment was ~1.55 billion dollar (177 billion yen) last year:

So you dont have anything to backup those 90% of profit.

So you still don't understand that I'm not talking about a 90/10 split between Apple and developers. I'm talking about their cut (~30%) of the revenue after paying out the developers' cut (~70%). Apple's cut is $4.4 billion and their estimated profit is around $4.4 billion.

Miyamotoo said:

Also why we have two revenue numbers for Apple gaming?

Here we go again... step-by-step this time:

  • Apple's total app revenue in the first half year was $22.6 billion, but that includes non-gaming apps.
  • Apple's total gaming app revenue in the first half year was $16.3 billion.
  • Apple's share of that total gaming app revenue in the first half year was $4.4 billion.
  • Apple's estimated gaming app profit in the first half year was ~$4 billion (so ~90% of 4.4 billion)
  • Google's total app revenue in the first half year was $11.8 billion, but that includes non-gaming apps.
  • Google's total gaming app revenue in the first half year was $10.3 billion.
  • Google's share of that total gaming app revenue in the first half year was $2.8 billion.
  • Google's estimated gaming app profit in the first half year was ~$2.5 billion (so ~90% of 2.8 billion)
  • Sony's total gaming revenue in the first half year was $6.1 billion (higher than Apple's or Google's share).
  • Sony's estimated gaming profit in the first half year was probably around $1 billion (last year it was $1.55 billion for a full year)
Ergo Sony's gaming revenue shown in the Newzoo chart is higher but their profit is lower compared to Apple or Google.
Ergo Apple and Google Apple & Google will gain a few places in a profit chart... like I wrote above before you answered with your "You do realise" post.