Why is the Switch still not getting big games from 3rd parties? October edition

[potato_hamster]

Miyamotoo said:

potato_hamster said:

Yes I do expect you to compared hundreds, if not thousands of games when you claim over 90% of multi-platform games on PS4 and XB1 has a 2 to 1 sales advantage for PS4. That's how statistics work. In order to make that claim, you would have to already know that.

From the start of the discussion you might have been talking Sony vs Nintendo, but I was not, as that's irrelevant to the covnersation.

I don't see how you think attach rate is still anything more than an excuse to apologize for poor third party sales. No one cares about attach rate. It's just a meaningless stat fans came up with to argue over different video game console platforms. It has no bearing or merit in the real world. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't prove anything. It's nothing, but you keep hanging on to it, because "look how many less sales Switch has compared to PS4! you can't expect to have third party game sell millions of units like it does on PS4, that's unfair and ridiculous. Ignore those first party games that are still selling super well though, those don't count!"

And I've never said these select few games won't sell more as time goes on. I said the trickling of sales on most titles after the first 6 months to a year of release doesn't mean anything. This is obvious. However you're making the claim that these sales are directly related to platform growth and you've come nowhere close to demonstrating that. Let me put it this way. Let's say in 2020, Breath of the WIld 2 is released on Switch, and Switch at the time has 60 million units sold. How many copies does it sell? How many copies will it have sold in 2022? If you can't answer those questions within a reasonable margin of error, there is no direct correlation between the two.

I never brought third party into the discussion, you're trying to take third party out of it.

I named Sony first party titles that will sell higher than most Nintendo IPs. God of War, Uncharted 4, Horizon: Zero Dawn, and Spiderman will sell more copies than most of the games Nintendo puts out. That's a fact. You might not like that Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon, Smash etc only make up a small fraction of the games Nintendo releases, but it's true nevertheless. If you disagree, please point out when you think Mario Tennis, or Captain Toad or Go Vacation, or Kirby Star Allies, or Bayonetta or Xenoblade Chronicles, or Donkey Kong tropical Freeze will reach 8 million copies sold that all of the Sony titles I listed have sold or will sell.

OK, prove than I am not right, gave me statistic of hundreds or thousands. First 100 top best selling games is more than enough to get insight.

Than how you accuse me that I moving goal posts? And Sony vs Nintendo is not irrevent because thats main reason I made reply to you.

Attach rate is excuse? Attach rate is valid point, when you comparing sales on different platforms and espacily if we talk about huge difference in install base. I cant still belive you are OK with comparing sales of games on 80m and 20m install bases.

You still missing clear fact that I mentione to you several times, every game will sell better how install base is growing, some more than others, but every single game will sell better how install base is growing. That doesn't have anything with possible Zelda BotW 2 release later, or how much Zelda BotW 2 would sell than.

Again, I didnt discused about 3rd party at all when I made reply to you, from start I wrote to you that you are wrong when you claimed that "Sony first party titles are selling higher than most Nintendo IPs" or that install base dont have effect on sales of games.

How is that vaild point when Pokemon, Animal Crosing, Mario Odyssey, Zelda BotW, Smash Bros...will all most likly sell more than best selling Sony games?

 

You dont make sense, and you force me to repeat over and over same facts and points that you keep ignoring, I don't see point continuing with this, so I will not reply to you any more.

No. That's not how it works. YOU made the claim that it's over 95% of games. It is on YOU to support that claim. Otherwise it's baseless nonsense.

You moved the goalposts because the thread is about third parties, not Sony vs Nintendo. You're off in your own little world and I'm not playing that game.

Again, attach rate is not a valid point and means literally nothing. Install base, again, doesn't really matter when you're getting beyond tens of millions of sales (which both platforms are at), and this has been demonstrated. You keep acting like this means something when it doesn't, and I clearly can't help you there.

Every game won't sell better with a growing install base. I gave you an example of "This is the Police". It's a Switch title that's out of print. It's not going to go back into print. It's never going to have more sales than what it has now. This is the case for most video games. They stop making physical copies of them within 2 years of release. You keep focusing on the exceptions.

It's a valid point because of the phrase I used. Let me highlight why you're wrong. "Sony first party titles are selling higher than most Nintendo IPs" Do you know what "most" means? it's different than "all". It means if you exclude the likes of "Pokemon, Animal Crosing, Mario Odyssey, Zelda BotW, Smash Bros" as you like to put it, you still get dozens of Nintendo IPs that will never come close to the sales of any of the titles I just mentioned.

I make perfect sense, you just don't understand me. You keep making the same silly arguments over and over and I keep putting them in their place. Perhaps this is a language barrier or something, but it's pretty clear at this point, you simply do not understand or are ignoring the meaning of what I am saying.