potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
Look itself, you will see that I right, just look at first 100 best selling games on PS4 and XB1.
I talking about Nintendo games for Switch, and yes Nintendo Switch games for Switch have very good legs. Look that at that link that I gave you and look again at end of month with updates. But, again clear fact is that every game will have better sales with higher Switch install base in any case, some more than other offcourse.
Fact that some game on same platform will sell more how install base is growing, tell you that is wrong to compare sales of games where you have one platform of install base of 20m and other of 80m.
Again, fact is that every game will sell better how much install base is growing, some will sell more than others, but point is that every game will sell better. You have hard time accepting that very clear fact. And again, I was primarly talking about Nintendo games for Switch, and we all know that Nintendo games usualy have very good legs, and we already seeing those legs with most games that Nintendo released for Switch.
You are again wrong, that was never my itend, and I didnt talk about 3rd party sales at all, in our hole discussion I didnt menatione sales of 3rd party games on Switch not single time. You wrote this "The results might surprise you. Sony first party titles are selling higher than most Nintendo IPs", and I made reply to that your post because and later to your point that install base dont have effect on games sales.
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Not, it doesn't work that way. First, you made the claim, so it's on you to support that claim. Secondly, there are thousands of multi-platform games on PS4 and Xbox one, not 100, so your sample size isn't big enough.
If you're only talking about Nitnendo games for Switch you're moving the goalposts, and making a meaningless distinction. So many first party Nintendo games have legs. So what? What does that have to do with the fact that the vast majority of games do not, and what does that have anything to do with the sales of big third party games on Switch? Ohh right. Nothing.
To think that it's wrong to compare the sales of a game that sells 1 million of PS4 and 100K on Switch because less than 1% of Switch users bought a game and apparently that isn't enough of an install base to have higher sales numbers. Completely ridiculous. if Mario Odyssey can sell 11 million copies on Switch, any game can.
No, games do not necessarily sell better based on the install base. Take for example the Dreamcast. Sega stopped producing dreamcasts 14 months after its release, yet some games still continued to sell copies 2-3 years after Sega stopped producing Dreamcasts. Where did those sales come from? It certainly wasn't that increasing install base, so what was it?
This is a thread about third party sales. If you can't talk about third party sales, then there's not much point of talking in there's thread, is there? First party sales are irrelevant to this conversation.
Most Nitnendo IPs do not have 8 million + in sales like Uncharted 4 and Horizon: Zero Dawn have done, or God of War and Spider-man will do. That's a fact. Nintendo has a lot more IPs that Mario, Mario Kart, and Zelda, you know. That again, has little to do with install base. The PS3 has about the same sales as the PS4, and PS3's first party games didn't sell nearly as well as the new titles on PS4 are. See if you can figure out why.
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Do you realy think we will compare thousuands of games? Top 50 best selling games will be more than enough.
Lol, from start of our discussion I was talking about Nintendo games vs Sony games sales, and I even couple of times mentioned that, how that can be moving goal post? Again, I was talking Sony vs Nintendo games sales on first place.
Ofcourse its wrong, and it's wrong to use those numbers like definitive numbers, simple because even that 100k game will keep selling how intall base is growing, its far more accurate to compare attach rate for that game than simple numbers if you already comparing sales of games on different platform with huge difference in install base. Lol, point that Odyssey sold 11m on Switch dont has anything with that, despite Odyssey sold 11m it will sell more how install base is growing, same like that 100k game.
Games have better sales how install base is growing, simple fact. Switch games will keep selling how install base growing, same like we can say that PS4 games had lower sales when install base was 40m instead of current 80m. You cant spin that around, we talking about clear facts, even that Dreamcast games would again sold better if Dreamcast had higher install base than it did.
I gave you simple reply to things that are clearly wrong, you brought 3rd party in discussion, and that wasnt my point.
You wrote "Sony first party titles are selling higher than most Nintendo IPs", and you call that a fact!? Gave a proof, gave me a numbers, because every gen Nintendo destroyed Sony games in sales and even now on Switch we can already compare sales despite PS4 has much higher install base than Switch. Most Sony IPs also dont have those sales, you mention Sony has four 8m+ sold games on install base of 80m, Switch that has only 20m install base we already have three 8m+ seller games, Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey, MK8D and we will also have Splatoon2, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, 2D Mario...and who know what else, Nintendo games will destroy in sales Sony games like it always do. And offcourse that has plenty with install base, how Switch install base is growing those games will keep selling, Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey and MK8D will most likly all be 15m+ sellers at end, Splatoon 2 will easily pass 8m+ sales how install base is growing maybe even at end of this year.
Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 23 October 2018
