‘Rape Culture’ Is A MYTH | Change My Mind

[KLAMarine]

SpokenTruth said:

KLAMarine said:

Do you have a link to the "men causing women pain during sex" thread? What about a count of the threads "that are sexually demeaning, sexually degrading or sexually negative towards women"?

I disagree. False allegations, when exposed, do terrible harm to legitimate victims of rape. Credibility of rape/sexual assault allegations take a hit and the existence of false allegations are the reason why a degree of skepticism is the usual approach to any accusation. You say they're "not an agent of perpetuation of it" but I think the skepticism due to false allegations might prevent a legitimate rape victim from coming forward with their story.

False allegations are a serious issue not only for innocent parties but to true victims as well.

Did you just ask me for a link to a thread I said I wasn't going to link to?

"18. Reddit threads dedicated to men causing women pain during sex (I’m not going to give the thread credence by linking to it)."

Yes. If you still don't want to, fair enough.

How about a count of threads "that are sexually demeaning, sexually degrading or sexually negative towards women"? Do we have a count?

SpokenTruth said:

And did you forget where I said false allegations are serious and should be dealt with? You even acknowledged that I never  said, implied or meant that they should be disregarded but it's as though you are trying to argue with me that I disagree with something that I don't.  I never said they don't do harm.  I never said they don't impair the credibility of valid rapes.

I'm aware you believe false allegations are bad but I was making the point that they're worse than bad. They hurt the innocent and they can hurt legitimate victims when exposed. They might even aid actual perpetrators.

SpokenTruth said:

And no, the skepticism of valid rapes borne out of false accusations is far outweighed by the pure wholesale disbelief, incredulity, shame, vehement hate, fear of retaliation and humiliation, etc....   Further stated, if false accusations account for even as great as 8% of all accusations (the highest rate given by a credible source), then is it not a completely irrational stance on the part of men for skepticism to be the immediate response? 

No. Skepticism is simply acknowledgement that the truthfulness of a claim is unknown. Nothing about this approach is irrational.

Do you propose an alternative approach?

SpokenTruth said:

That means 8 in 100 but are false but men are viewing them as though only 8 in 100 are actually valid rapes.  That's irrational and I sincerely hope this is not how you view rape allegations.

What men are doing this?

Last edited by KLAMarine - on 13 October 2018