‘Rape Culture’ Is A MYTH | Change My Mind

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sundin13 said:

o_O.Q said:

1) "Is it normalized to try to liquor a girl up to get in her pants? 100%. Is it normalized to display sexual dominance when a woman has a moment of doubt? 100%."

so what is your point here? to prohibit men from buying drinks for women? and to stop men from begging women for sex?

the first one can be done,,, but you'll never accomplish that second one

2) " when in general the risk of rape for is very low except for one extremely high risk population. "

anyone can become a member of that population at any time, but that's irrelevant anyway since to reiterate more men are raped than women

i understand your point but it does not contradict mine and come on dude those men matter why are you trying to minimize their pain and suffering like this?

3) "You can't really use an outlier to make conclusions about the whole group."

rape victims are outliers lol, are you being serious right now?

 how is the cognitive dissonance not tearing you in two?

if i can't make the point that the men suffering in prison matter when we talk about rape victims since they are outliers then how can you build an argument about the culture of a society when the same applies to rape victims?

4) "To make a comparison"

i'd still assume that a line of best fit would still show men as being the primary victims of rape... if i'm wrong then do the graph and show me

 

5) "In your general NCVS population, it is generally considered that about 10% of victims are male. This makes a prevalence of about 0.2 in 1000 by my math. This means that in prison populations, sexual victimization is about 500 times more prevalent than in the general population."

what about the reliable feminist statistics that claim that 1 in 3 or 1 in 5 women are raped?

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/20/health/global-violence-women/index.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sexual-assault-women-one-five-rape-harassment-figures-report-a8201476.html

1) ...My point is that people should stop raping other people. I don't really think that is very radical, although I must note that you statement sounds a lot like "normalizing rape"...

2) I don't really think the physical possibility of joining a population negates the fact that the population is a statistical outlier...

Also, you seem to keep ignoring women when speaking about prison rape. You keep saying "these men" or acting like prison rape statistics are 100% male. They aren't.

3) When I speak of "outliers" I am speaking of outlier populations. You seem to be conflating this with "outlier individuals". They are not the same thing.

4) Why would you ever decide to use a best fit line in this scenario? That holds all the same flaws as the mean. There is not really any reason to use this method of determination (and besides, it would be virtually impossible to construct such a graph). Besides, if you were to plot by prevalence and not population size, women would be more at risk when comparing between virtually every like-population, including prison populations... This has already been demonstrated.

5) ...That reads to me like a non sequitur. I don't know how you want me to respond, especially when I've already addressed those statistics in this thread.

"My point is that people should stop raping other people"

true, but that's not going to happen unless you have some type of solution to offer?

 

"Also, you seem to keep ignoring women when speaking about prison rape. You keep saying "these men" or acting like prison rape statistics are 100% male. They aren't."

i did because you were dismissing them as people that matter and i find that disgusting

 

"When I speak of "outliers" I am speaking of outlier populations. You seem to be conflating this with "outlier individuals"."

my point still stands, you are using an aberration to make assessments of the whole that it branches from in the case of "rape culture" and refusing to be consistent when it comes to the rape of men in prisons

you can't say well the prison population is an outlier so we can't use that to make assessments of the wider culture then at the same time turn around and say well rape is abnormal but regardless i'm still going to take it and use it to assess the wider society

mentally ill people are outlier individuals, can i now take them and use them to assess the sanity of the wider society according to your logic?

 

"and besides, it would be virtually impossible to construct such a graph"

how do you know? you haven't tried, if you have send me a screen capture of the axes

 

" ...That reads to me like a non sequitur."

my point was that you are asserting that prison rape is much more common than in the wider society, but according to feminist statistics that is not the case