US Medicare For All Bill as good as dead now?

[Mr Puggsly]

 

Mr Puggsly said:

That's the thing, if you're confident it could save people money and in theory provide them equal quality of healthcare, it will prove to the country its the best way to provide healthcare.

Except it wouldn't.  

Because people would latch onto anything that would prove what they want about the system.  

Here's a made up example (made up numbers):

Let's say New York currently spends $500 billion in healthcare across all private and public facilities.  There are currently 1 million people that are uninsured out of about 20 million.  
They end up spending $10 billion more on healthcare, but they are covering another million people.

Expense per person goes from $26,316 down to $25,500.  

People that don't want this system will argue that it's costing more money, and they'd be right.

People that do want this system will argue that it's costing the average family, less money.  And they'd also be right.  They realize that those million people are also bringing in more money.  

These things aren't all that clear cut.  Even when they are, there would still be people arguing that it's evil or 

Mr Puggsly said:

If states want to provide healthcare for all its population, they can do it with some limits. For example, don't allow people to move in simply to drain healthcare resources, they would not quality for the state's socialized healthcare. 

It might work, but it's not optimal.

So you put in a law so that people who are sick can't just move in to take advantage of the healthcare. 

But some people are moving into the state anyway.  They will either be unable to get health insurance, hope they can afford any healthcare on their own,or they would be required to get private insurance.  

In two of those three cases, you lose some of the benefits of the system, and costs end up going up.

I'm not sure what to make of your NY example... so I'm just gonna move past that.

People moving in and working would pay high taxes to cover their government provided healthcare, which should be most. Private insurance tends to exist in countries with single payer healthcare. There would inevitably be price controls for public and private options I assume.

Its a mess if you push this at a state level or country wide. It will not be a smooth transition where everybody is happy either way. So lets try making people unhappy at a state level first.