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Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said:

If we all agree that men shouldn't rape woman because that's harmful to woman, then we should also be able to agree that woman shouldn't be able to kill the unborn because that's harmful to men.

This is part of the reason why I'm not entirely on board with abortion, yet would be willing to compromise to at least make it as acceptable for as many as possible.

It all comes down to ownership of the body in the end.

The person who is born with said Body has the first and last say of what happens with it, they are the owners, not an unborn child.
No one has the right to live at the expense of another. - The unborn child is more than entitled to survive on it's own accord outside of the body.

It's always been baffling that a fetus is the exception to this rule, because if I was to walk over to a stranger and take a kidney just so I could survive... I would be taken through the legal system.

Heck, even if I was called out to save someones life and that person strictly said "no" they don't want my help. - I am legally not allowed to assist them, I have to talk around them first.

 

That's not an exact comparison - if a person needs an organ or blood transfusion but doesn't get one, that person does not die as a result of anyone's actions. They did nothing, and the person died. They had no actual role in that person's death. With abortion, however, it completely different - you do have to act to perform it. You have to actively end the pregnancy; that's an action. If you took no action, the pregnancy would (probably) proceed, and no one (probably) would die. There is a huge moral difference in not saving someone versus killing someone (even if killed through negligence).

For an ethical thought experiment, try to imagine some bizarre scenario where some adult's life passively depends on me in some way (I don't particularly care how), and, as long as this person lives, it costs me something. Do I have the right to kill him? Certainly not; he stands to lose much, much more than I do, and his passive dependence can't be considered criminal, passive as it is. We could all agree that I couldn't run over an unconscious man lying in my driveway if he was completely blocking my car. Even though he's on my property, which I have rights do with as I wish, he still has his greater right to not be murdered.