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o_O.Q on 30 September 2018
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HylianSwordsman said:
sundin13 said:

As others have said, this isn't a court of law. He is being lined up for a promotion so the comparison to someone being tried just doesn't work. What we are asking is if we should take the risk that the country is promoting a sexually abusive liar to the top court in the country, or if perhaps another candidate would be better for the country. Basically, I consider it to be a fairly mathematical formula (numbers are hypothetical):

If we a assume a truthful Kavanaugh's suitability for the job is 10, a lying Kavanaugh's suitability is 5 and Trump's second choice is a 9, then if there is greater than a 20% chance that any of these accusations are true or that any of his statements made in court were not true, then Kavanaugh is not the best candidate for the job.

Obviously those numbers are hypothetical, but I think it demonstrates the point (I would argue that Kavanaugh was not the best candidate for this job before the accusations but hey, thats just me).

Hadn't read this far when I wrote my last comment. I mostly agree here, but I'd argue that even if we never find out whether Kavanaugh is a liar or not, the testimony so far is enough that substantial portions of the country believe he's a lying rapist. Even if you think that's unfair, you should want the Supreme Court to be respected, and it's decisions to be respected, so you wouldn't confirm him. Since this is, again, just a job interview, there's no consequence to Kavanaugh if he doesn't get confirmed. There is a consequence to the SC's reputation if a lying Kavanaugh is confirmed, but there's also a consequence if a truthful Kavanaugh is confirmed, because the public will likely never know if he's truthful or not, and thus can only guess, and guess they will, whether you like it or not. And a plurality of the public, and by some polls like the Fox News poll, a majority, have guessed that he's a lying rapist. This may seem unfair to Kavanaugh, but it would be very dangerous to the fundamental institution that is the Supreme Court if you confirmed him. Seeing as there are better options, handpicked by Trump and the Federalist society, that wouldn't harm the court in this way, if you just pick one of them, this problem goes away. As I said in my previous comment, the fear that false sexual crime accusations will jump out of nowhere for every nominee from either party till the end of time as a strategy to stop nominees is a baseless fear and will not come to pass, as even if that happened, it would just ruin the party that tried it when the public grew tired of it. Withdrawing Kavanaugh and nominating a better candidate is the best option available for both parties (though still a shitty option for Democrats) and the best option for the Supreme Court, and thereby the best option for the rule of law and the American people.

first off he hasn't been accused of raping anyone... but its interesting that you decided to take it there and secondly if i'm understanding you correctly, you're in favor of men losing their jobs once an accusation is leveled against them?