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RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

Doesn't address lives saved now does it? Why did you link it? That's rhetorical by the way. Shoo. Off to the ninty threads with you. 

Actually, it does address your argument. Saving all those lives in the USA comes at the cost of 25 times more people getting killed by guns than in other developed countries. Is such a tradeoff good in your eyes?

 Alot more people use guns to protect themselves from all crime than to murder people by gun in the US. That's in fact a net positive. If guns were made illegal tomorrow, the US would suffer across the board from it because people couldn't legally protect themselves anymore. 

It doesn't matter what happens in some other country because they don't have same the culture, laws, issues or pros the US has. That's also you trying to change the goal post because you can't defeat my claim on its own ground.