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Aeolus451 on 28 August 2018
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RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's just in your vaunted opinion. You didn't provide anything to counter me or the studies. You just dismissed it out of hand. What I linked provides actual facts to counter the narrative that guns only kill people in mass shooting or murders in the US. It's especially relevant in discussions about shootings and gun control. Guns in the US save more lives in self-defense against all crime than they are used in murders/mass shootings. The source studies are objective and provide more light on guns. 

I didn't have to provide anything to counter your links because they didn't contain anything of value. Fact is that the USA has a problem that doesn't exist in other developed countries, because said countries have superior gun control laws. It's you who has to provide evidence that the laws in the USA are not clearly inferior in comparison to other developed countries. That's very similar to healthcare where the USA lags significantly behind other developed countries.

What you intended to counter with your links are arguments that hadn't even been made in this thread, that's why none of it is of substance. The actual argument is that the USA has a problem and gun control laws need to be improved.

Lastly, I didn't dismiss your links out of hand. I pointed out how sketchy the statistics are, because it's incredibly farfetched that guns used in self-defense saved so many lives. Such studies put forward an argument that ~200k people would be shot dead in the USA per year without guns as self-defense and that's outright preposterous; if that were true, then the USA's problems would be much, much more severe than they are in reality. Another link was pages of general information and if you demand a proper discussion, then it's on you to quote relevant excerpts for your argument.

 If you're gonna counter my argument and sources then use sources of your own or spare me your ego and go back to your ninty threads. I'm not gonna bother with you if respond with more of the same.