What exactly do you consider to be "SJW agenda" in games?

[DonFerrari]

Medisti said:

DonFerrari said:

not only personality, but the need to show it to everyone at all time =p

Perhaps I just have old people and conservatives as RL close people (even conservative gay people) but they mostly are good people who like gays but don't like the exarcebated ones.

I like pizza, therefore, every aspect of who I am needs to revolve around it. I must wear pizza themed clothing, make clear to everyone I meet my preferences for pizza, and all others are allowed to judge me based on what toppings I like.

It sounds so silly applied to any other personal preference, and personal taste is about as controllable as sexuality. People don’t just decide they like pepperoni better (though trying it may change their mind and my metaphor is falling apart, lol).

I tried pepperoni (not metaphoric) and didn't like it kkkk. And certainly there is some people that base all their live and interactions in talking about being gay, those certainly are minorities inside a minority (and would say most are teenagers and young adults, whose usually are the people trying to show off and rebel using any agenda they like).

Dante9 said:

LuccaCardoso1 said:

I've heard a lot of people complaining about BFV's inclusion of playable female characters saying that we should boycott the game because women "didn't fight in the war", and because that's "historically inaccurate". First of all, women did fight in the war (yes, mostly for the USSR, but it would be stupid to only allow female characters when you're playing in one specific team). Second of all, Battlefield 1 was also very historically inaccurate, and I didn't see anyone boycotting it because of that.

Let's cut the bullshit: I know that most people are complaining about BFV because they think the inclusion of women means EA is promoting an "SJW agenda" (if you're honestly complaining about historical inaccuracies in BFV, you should maybe take a step back and rethink it. No game is absolutely historically accurate, and they're not supposed to be). But what the hell is an "SJW agenda"?

I've also seen people complaining about TLoU 2 and Horizon ZD for the same reasons, just because they feature women, and, in the first case, a lesbian kiss in one of the trailers.

What is an "SJW agenda"? Is having diverse characters an "SJW thing"? Because, you know, the world is not just made of white cis hetero males, so it's just natural that games would not just have white cis hetero males.

If you think that TLoU 2 and Horizon ZD promote an "SJW agenda", give me some examples of games with diverse characters that don't "appeal to the SJW crowd". I'll just ask you not to cite Tomb Raider (as Lara Croft was [and still is a bit] hyper-sexualized) and Metroid (since most people didn't even know that Samus was a girl before the internet).

I'm genuinely intrigued.

Umm, actually it would not be stupid to allow female soldiers only in a specific faction. It would be more accurate and perhaps even justified, if there even is a Soviet faction in the game, I don't know. Anyways, the whole thing is kind of like saying that because there was a small contingent of women in some company of the Soviet army, suddenly half of all armies should be women which is just ridiculous. There certainly weren't women with prosthetic arms and swords and shit. People with prosthetics would not be put on the front line, men or women. It's just stupid, plain and simple. Why not fairies with IBS while you're at it? There's mostly accurate and then there's fantasy land, that's the problem with the diffrence here. This really is not about women as such, and you know it.

SJW agendas are usually so blatant that you don't have to dig to find them. It's become normal for either the publisher or the dev team to openly talk about "diversity" and how they want to put more of thing x or y into a game, because reasons. These companies are either buying into the bullshit of a small shill group and are virtue signaling, or they feel pressured into "getting with the program" as it were. Either way, this misguided pandering is steering these companies into a collision course with their core customer bases, which in turn is beginning to affect their bottom lines. It's so stupid I can hardly believe it. Get woke, go broke.

Now, am I against diversity? Of course not. Gaming has always been diverse naturally, without a specific need to pump it in artificially. There have been female leads that even have their own franchises. There have been different races without anyone making a fuss about it. There have even been different sexualities, although I admit that they have mostly been very marginal instances and often used for comedic effect. But sexuality really isn't that much of a deal in these worlds and adventures. Most games don't have romance mechanics, so the issue doesn't even come up. Anyone can assign their preferred sexuality to the characters they see, since it isn't usually addressed at all because the game is about something else than personal relationships. However, characters in gaming have always been about *true* diversity, which is to say diversity of thought, background, experiences and such. The sorry excuse for diversity we are being force-fed nowadays is about the most superficial things, like skin color or sexual preference. This is a very immature vision of diversity. It's mundane, it doesn't matter or bring anything of substance to the table. It leads to characters that are out of place, but it most importantly leads to very badly written characters, and this is, I think, the worst problem. Suddenly we have characters whose most defining traits are skin color or sexuality. They appear in the game to talk about their race or sexuality and it has nothing to do with the plot of the game, it's just awkward. They are hollow puppets, whose backstory is that they are of race x or sexuality z. Nobody cares, it has no bearing on the world or the story of the game. These characters just stick out like a sore thumb. Unnatural, forced diversity and crappy storytelling and character building. Remember for instance how they had to fix the character in Mass Effect Andromeda who just out of nowhere started to blabber about his (her?) transgenderism, out of the blue and off topic? It only rubs people the wrong way, because it's clearly political and ideologically driven. It doesn't belong in our entertainment. We go into these worlds to get away from that bullshit, not to be drowned in it. Gamers don't care if a character has green skin and has genitalia that they haven't even seen before, as long as the character is rich and well put together and serves the game world and overall story well.

TLOU2, well, I have to say I'm a little worried about it. Not about Ellie being a lesbian, I already knew and it's not an issue for me anyways. Luckily, Ellie has been such a good and well implemented character that her sexuality is irrelevant, as it should be. I'm worried because the driving force of the first game was the character dynamic between Joel and Ellie and how their personal arcs came together in the process of their journey together. This is gone in the second part, because Joel doesn't seem to be very much of a thing in the game at all. It would be interesting to see how their relationship as "father and daughter" has evolved through the years as they both have become older. I hope they are able to create something else meaningful for her to beef up her story going forward. Is she going to be travelling by herself, or is her character going to be reduced to "look at me, I'm kissing a girl, because I'm lesbian and that's the most important thing about me because lesbian"? I guess there could be a love story between her and some girl, but that isn't enough for a compelling story. It needs more layers.

In Horizon ZD I personally didn't notice any SJW stuff, so I'don't know what that is about. Maybe it's the fact that the first tribe that you come across is a matriarchy that didn't sit well with some people? Not a problem for me, plus this is a fantasy/scifi scenario so anything goes and whoever creates the world gets to make the rules. They are not trying to rewrite history to suit someone's narcissistic need to project their personal traits and agendas into it.

That's pretty much what all this is about, isn't it? Normal people want to admire and love the heroes in movies and games, they want to be those characters. But these SJW's want to project themselves into the story, so that they can be admired by themselves and everyone else. Narcissism 101.

Actually in most games you could even decide most of the cast is transgender or gender fluid if you want, almost always there is nothing saying otherwise. So you don't really need they saying they are X or Y, let's gamers decide. Unless it is very relevant to the story (like being based on the person struggle with identity) you should just let it not disclosed.

On the HZD, there have been a lot of matriarchal societies in the past of humanity so it is possible that there would be one in a distopia future. So anyone complaining on that on total sci-fi setting is just complain because they are silly people.

I have never had any problem playing with any type of char, or related more, or though of the char as myself. The only game that came closer to it would be TLOU because of the father thing. Other games I just want my char to be as powerful as it can get but I see myself as god regardless of the char =p