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PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Oh sure. 

Sony will never charge for online.

Indie games don’t matter.

Downloadable games don’t count. 

Rumble is not important.

Power is extremely important, until Scorpio, now it’s irrelevant. 

Etc etc. You’re talking about fans flip flopping to suit their favorite toy maker, which happens all the time on every site, but doesn’t have anything to do with what I said or what I was replying to.

Sure it does.

Why should I take MS fans on this site, who constantly deflect and defend, any more serious than you take Sony fans on this site, who constantly downplay?

All sides have down players. But no other fan base on this site, is as nonchalant as MS fans, when it comes to gaming criticisms. 

BTW, a lot of people expected Sony to charge for online.

I don't remember people discounting indie/ downloadable games. Games like Flower & Limbo were constantly cited in list wars back in PS360 days. 

Speaking of deflecting and defending lol.

But take people as seriously as you want, or don’t. I don’t care. I also don’t care what you remember about last gen, I personally remember being told constantly that games like Shadow Complex, State of Decay, Skulls of the Shogun, ‘Splosion Man, etc etc were not “real games” or “didn’t count” until this gen when Sony started with massive amounts of indie/digital titles. Kind of like how BC titles don’t count right now, but they would if PS4 had BC. And your history is off when it comes to teh Chartz if you honestly believe most thought PS4 would require pay to play online.

Of course here’s where you reply saying something about the shoe being on the other foot, etc etc, and I’ll just say again, yeah it happens every time in every community, but is irrelevant to my point or the point I was replying to, which was constant dismissal and downplay and negativity in every Xbox thread from some here. You’re welcome to disagree but I’m not going to debate it anymore :)