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Machiavellian on 24 August 2018
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boozehound said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually you are right, that is why Mueller isn't making these charges, its the state of NY.  I believe you forgot that Mueller handed this off to the state jurisdiction since the original case to raid Cohen had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.  As for the tactics to squeeze a criminal to give up other criminals, this has been done since laws were instituted in a civilized country.  Why it has to be something cheap or a charade can only be explained by a Trump supporter who would let every criminal connected to Trump go free if they believe convicting them is harassment to the President.  It's not like Cohen isn't being convicted of crimes that has nothing to do with Trump.  If during Mueller investigation, Cohen crimes were also found, it appears that his team did the right thing and sent it to the State AG.

You are mistaken. The plea deal is with mueller, the NY DA is going for additional state charges after they pass what they need to under state law. The federal stuff is done, he plead guilty. That’s why a Trump pardon would be useless for Cohen even though I doubt Trump would pardon him at this point anyway. I already mentioned this in my first post, it’s obvious why he flipped so I’m not forgetting anything. I don’t know why you keep saying that lol. The NY attorney is the one that granted immunity to the CFO and it has to do with the Daniels NDA which is a bogus charge to begin with. 

I like how you assume trump is already a criminal and think it’s civilized to use a special counsel to frame a sitting president. This isn’t a standard rat case like you want to treat it. He is a sitting president whether you like it or not. Your point is irrelevant, raiding a presidents lawyers office based on a phony dossier isn’t standard everyday stuff. No, this hasn’t been done before, it’s a fucking joke and your excuses for it just because it’s Trump is on you. Don’t try to make me seem like a crazy trump supporter when it’s you who support this mockery of our justice system. If trump is a criminal I want to see the crime, until then you are full of it. It is cheap and a charade. You can write it off with generic trump supporter insults if you want but I know my shit and you aren’t phasing me.

No, I am not mistaken.  I do agree his plea deal is with federal prosecutors but nowhere do I see Muller or his team involved with his plea.  Since tax, banking and finance violations are federal charges its a federal case but if you can find anywhere Mueller team is part of the plea deal then you might have something.  Right now, this is a case about Cohen not the president.  If anything goes further then we may see Mueller team get involved.

I do not consider Trump is a criminal because of this stuff.  I believe he is a criminal because a host of crap before he ever ran for president.  I only see this as just another list of stuff to throw on the pile of stuff for this con man.  I actually believe this will never come to court but who knows, it will depend on what other evidence the prosecutors have and the severity of the violation.  The president is not above the law.  Trump cannot be implicated unless he was dumb enough to put himself in that spot.  Everything up to this point is all his fault and I can easily trace very single dumb stupid move he has done to get to this point.  Maybe if he could find a day he doesn't have to lie, cheat, steal he would not even be in this mess.  Just maybe if he came out and told the Truth the first time on that Tower meeting.  Maybe if he didn't send that hush money concerning all his affairs and just admitted to his faults and went about his business.  It's never the act that's the problem, its the lies and cover up that amplify those acts.  You are just another enabler.  Always looking to blame others for this man's action.  He made the decisions and lies that put him hear and he is reaping what lies do.