Trump's Personal Lawyer And Campaign Manager Both Going To Prison

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bowserthedog said:

JRPGfan said:

Its a federal crime...... how is that not a "serious thing" ?
Its one of the things Michael cohen is going to jail for..... something he did FOR TRUMP, at his direction.

 

also "but obama did it tooo" :

"Election law experts said that more minor violations are treated as regulatory or civil matters, while egregious and willful campaign finance violations are treated as criminal acts" -
Jane C. Timm (nbc news)

Obama's was treated as a minor civil matter, because of the nature of it (what amount, and how it happend ect).
The two cases are not the same at all, Trumps violantion is much worse, his is being treated as a criminal act.
 

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-cites-massive-obama-campaign-finance-violation-experts-say-cohen-n902921

 

 

Obama campagne finance violations (a week before he won, his campagne workers messed up):

missing filing deadlines (late to say I recieved some money as a donation)
reporting the wrong dates on donation (I mislabel something)

vs

Trump campagne finance violations (trump himself ordered his lawyer to do something unlawfull):

knowingly directed my lawyer to pay hushmoney, over the said amount allowed for, to kill a story that could have cost me the election.

 

They are 2 very differnt things.

Hush money is legal.  

You're basing all of this on Cohen's word. The words of a man who was facing much more time for other crimes committed. Since the money was paid back from Trump personally it was not a crime at all. It also occurred before he even ran for office. Give me an example of somebody else who ran for president and hush money was considered a campaign expense rather than a personal expense?

First let's stop saying Hush money is legal without the context.  The context is that the hush money was paid during a period when the President was a candidate and the amount of money used had to be reported.  Cohen and his lawyer are not going to plead guilty to a no charge, that is absolutely silly to even keep that pretense up. 

Now if you say that just because Cohen is guilty does that mean the President is guilty that's another story.  The only way to prove that President Trump is guilty is if he had full awareness that the money would violate campaign finance laws and he willingly order it done.  This is the distinction you should be arguing not whether the hush money is legal or not legal.  There is no legal scholar saying that what Cohen admitted to was not illegal as a rep and lawyer for the Trump campaign.  People really need to get their discussion points correct.

Now, this is where other evidence in the case that will determine if this part can be proven or not.  Emails, tapes, receipts you name it.  What no one knows yet is what evidence does Cohen has and the prosecutors that verify his statement that he was order to make the payments with Trump full understanding it was a violation.