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Machiavellian on 17 August 2018
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irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

I can definitely say, I do not care if Trump slept with a porn star, cheated on his pregnant wife or any of his sexual disposition.  What I will say is that when you have a man who has cheated on every wife he has had, then you have to wonder about his character.  What I do care about is the constant lying even when faced with facts showing he is lying.  Its like a slap in the face when a person feels he can just lie to you constantly and because you support some of his policy you are to accept it.

Anytime you excuse someone who will lie to you constantly about everything big or small, you have to judge them on that part of their character.  I have been around griffers throughout my life and one thing you come away with when dealing with them is that they constantly lie all the time. They will always tell you want you want to hear and will constantly stab you in the back when the opportunity comes.  Trump history in business is an open book on such practices.  His famed negiotionating ability is a minefield of broken contracts or reneging on deals.

The way I see it, just because I might support the policy of politician does not mean I will just turn a blind eye to their character, moral compass or intelligence level to do a job.  I highly doubt if Trump would hire himself for the Job of president for how, inexperienced he is at politics and incompetent on the simplest of issues.

How is Trump's lying any different than any other politicians. 

Every single politician in the world you can find a video of him/her saying something and then another video of them saying the exact opposite.

They all are big liars and do whatever they can to continue to get elected and get money from lobying or other sources. No politician leaves office poor, or if they do they somehow are millionaires in no time later, such as the Clintons.

The point remains the same. Trump is wearing a mud suit. We all knew what he was when he got elected and he wasn't hiding behind some spotless record, perfect smiling face. No, he was Trump. He is still Trump. Nothing has changed.

You are right nothing has changed.  He is still the griffer he has always been but do not sit there and act as if the people who voted for him see him that way.  You only have to go to a conservative site to see that the narrative is much different.  I have a few friends who voted for Trump and still support Trump and you can believe they do not see him for what you suggest.  They never did any research on Trump.  They believe every word he says without question and will not hear anything that contradict their view.

I can respect if people actually did say that Trump is the scum that they like compared to other politicians.  If they understand who exactly they voted for instead of some upstanding outsider who is going to change washington then at least they are not putting their thumb in their ear and toning out anything negative against him.

Outside of my dislike of habitual liars like Trump is I also feel he is an idiot.  He doesn't have a clue what he is doing and just winging it.  Why would anyone want the village idiot to run their government.  Everything Trump has touched in his past has turned to ashes.  Just look at Trump history.  If anything he has successfully done is market himself but who the hell want that person as President.  When you have people within his administration leaving left and right because he only listen to his own inexperience voice, why would anyone want him making decision on his gut when you look at his past failures.  It's not like he learned anything from them besides how to make banks never give him a dime unless its one laundering money.