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DonFerrari said:
potato_hamster said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure people choosing to buy a PS4 Pro over a Wii U says they'd rather play PS4 in 4K than play the games on Wii U they couldn't play on PS4. I wouldn't say it means that they don't like Nintendo games, just that they prefer to play Playstation games in 4K more. Is this supposed to be some kind of logical fallacy or something? You make it sound like this is a ridiculous take.

I'm not criticizing PSVR right now. That's been done plenty. This thread is about sales and what those sales mean. Why would I talk about the limitations and technical shortcomings that prevents PSVR from becoming a more mainstream success in a thread about sales? That would be derailing the thread.

What's the projected ROI for PSVR and how do you know PSVR is meeting that expectation considering Sony said PSVR growth is "lower than expected" in an investor presentation section about their current challenges.

Has anyone claimed VR is mainstream? Have you read any of the VR threads on this? There is someone who has claimed the next Grand Theft Auto should be "VR Exclusive". Others refer to gaming on a television as "retro style". What does that tell you?

Sony said the market growth is smaller than they expected, but they have always put that their sales have been above expectations. So yes from a business perspective it have been successful.

He wanting PSVR to be mainstream or to have a GTA VR version doesn't equate to him saying it is mainstream already. Although 3M is already outside the realm of niche. Unless again you consider most gen 6 and prior niche games.

And yes your analysis was a phallacy. If all games played on PS4 and had their PSVR version working them you could say they choose 4k over VR, but most AAA games aren't in VR so they didn't choose 4k over VR they choose games available on PS4 but not in VR over the smaller experiences in VR.

They were clearly wrong considering up until now Sony have been saying the sales have been over what they projected.

Why not? Being mainstream isn't the same as ending everything else.

Sony hasn't said the PSVR has "exceeded their expectations" since a few months after release when they set a goal of selling a million units in the first six months, and they sold 900K in four months. It then took them another four months to sell 100K, so they actually missed their goal.

There's a difference between wanting a VR version of GTA, and saying something along the lines of "Rockstar should do the right thing and make the next Grand Theft Auto a VR exclusive". How is 3 million outside the realm of niche? Sure in terms of a particular game, but manufacturers have sold millions of racing wheels for consoles and PCs alike over the years, and no one would say that racing wheels aren't a niche market.

My analysis isn't a fallacy. The PS4 pro plays all PS4 games except they're enhanced. The PSVR plays all PS4 games (even if its only in theatre mode) and games the PS4 pro. The PS4 with a PSVR has a bigger library than the PS4 Pro without VR, not a smaller one.

I don't have any idea what you mean by your last sentence.