Democrats Vote To Give Trump Obscene $717 Billion Mílítary Budget

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

No shit, I'm saying democrats look to Europe as the ideal implementations of socialism (socialist policies in reality). But they spin also spin facts to make it fit their ideals. Democrats don't actually want socialism how Europe does it per se, because those countries are still to responsible in their spending.

Then Democrats are doing it wrong. But Republicans don't want anything to do with socialist policies and are also at fault.

Mr Puggsly said:

Hence, when our government can do better job with vast amount of resources it already receives then I would be open to more government operated services. You've argued we could get more done with efficient spending. Well lets have more efficient spending before we pour more into government. Is that a crazy concept?

You want to implement the schemes first, then look at measures to cost-cut.
My own country constantly does audits in order to look for ways to efficiently cut costs without compromising quality of care.

But we had to get a system that actually functioned first, that has certainly been a long and expensive road, but it's paying for itself now generations later.

Mr Puggsly said:

I think I should stress the point we would all love free stuff in the US. I wish I didn't have to think about my healthcare costs, education fees, etc. But the US is has proven to be terrible at offering quality services and inefficient at spending. If democrats and government in general can't solve those problems, people aren't gonna be interested in throwing more money into government. That simply means higher taxes and less choices.

It's not actually free. - But it's also not for-profit either, thus you don't need to stress about things like profit margins.
Inefficient spending comes straight from the top, Republicans, Democrats... All just waste, waste, waste.

 

Mr Puggsly said:

I see the problem with tariffs, that means we pay more for goods. You got one party potentially hurting consumers with tariffs, while the opposing part wants significantly higher taxes. So it certainly feels either way you go people are getting hit in the wallet. But either way, we could rely on other countries as well for exports and that would prop up other countries, which is arguably best.

 

Tariffs are both good and bad. It is what it is.
Essentially it's just another tax that everyone ends up paying for in the end anyway.

But like I iterated prior, the USA would do well to put a focus on towards India, which is China's counterbalance, hopefully the USA doesn't alienate themselves from the rest of the world before that happens.

Mr Puggsly said:

We aren't starting a war with China, this negations. Many feel we're getting a bad deal with China and they're taking advantage of us, you seem to be suggesting we tolerate that so they don't become an enemy. I don't think that's a great plan.

Well. I never said you were starting a war with China.
But without a doubt China is going to overtake the USA in economic power, the USA needs to work with them, not against, for everyone's sake.

That's bullshit, the republicans absolutely support social services. They get attacked for trying to reduce spending and reduce safety nets that people exploit. On the otherhand democrats subscribe to the theory, more spending = more quality. Although, its military where the republicans don't mind pouring lots of money into but democrats don't obstruct that either.

Again, democrats are not interested in cost cuts and would prefer if all health care went the public route. Many western countries with socialized healthcare don't even agree with that. Hence, democrats look to countries who have socialized healthcare but don't actually want to practice it the same way they do.

I said free, but I actually meant "free". Democrats tout how they want to make healthcare free but its obviously going to be done with taxes. People on the left regularly call socialized healthcare free healthcare. It just sounds better than government run healthcare.

I know profitable is a dirty word, but its also synonymous with quality. Generally speaking in capitalism, you need to create something people want for profits. With that said, companies seeking a profit also have an ability to be more efficient with spending and offer high quality service. That's why people tend to opt for private healthcare even when public is an option.

We are working with China, working with the US has been great for them and they're obviously going to be stubborn when it comes to making changes.