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lightningfunk said:
Wyrdness said:

It's best you don't make comments like these because the are countries where health care and education are integrated into the system the way people want.

all those countries have some or the other problems

just look at UK and their debt levels

also all the medical innovation happens in free market countries like USA

I'm not sure how the UK's debt levels are relevant to this discussion. Our external debt has remained static for almost a decade now, and the majority of our public debt followed the 2008 crash (no joke, almost 10% of our entire public debt came from just 2009), with the deficit having since dropped dramatically. As it stands, the UK government spends about the same amount on healthcare (both per capita and as a ratio of GDP) as the US government.

It's not free, we as a country choose to pay higher taxes on average than in the US (and in-fact the majority in the UK are currently in favour of paying more), and there are perfectly valid arguments to be made against the US adopting a similar system. That said, when the US government is already spending similar amounts on healthcare, and US citizens then have to spend that same amount again on average (resulting in a total healthcare bill in the US of almost 18% of GDP, which is staggeringly high), it's understandable that some would be against its current approach. I personally don't think the US should aim for universal healthcare right now, it would be an incredibly long, expensive, and complicated process even if the country was unified in its vision, but there's clearly room for improvements, just as there is in countries that do have NH.

Last edited by Zekkyou - on 11 August 2018