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Machiavellian on 11 August 2018
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irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

Are you a parent because your First paragraph sounds like someone who knows absolutely nothing about public schools.  Why do you believe charter schools do not have the same problems as a public school.  What make you believe that the parents who children go to a public school do not care about their child education.  You are throwing out some high brow opinion but I truly wonder where your experience is coming from.

I do not agree if the child is not making an effort or a distraction the kid should be removed.  Not knowing or understanding the circumstances of that child you are already throwing them to the curb.  If a charter school wants to be discriminating like that then why should we the people fund them with our tax money.  Kids go through all type of fazes in their lives, having some draconian system like that sounds like it would be more destructive than helpful even for the very good students.  If they want to go that route then just like a Private school, they can fund themselves.  There have been many children who have overcome problems at home, in their environment and other items that may affect them when someone takes the enough time to care and reach out.  In your world, those children would be sent packing and the results is often worst.  I have no problems with a Charter school being discriminating with who they let within their walls, but I also do not believe I need to pay for such a system out of my tax money.

Just because you have a Charter School in a poor area does not mean its there as a facility to help them or raises the bar over a public school.  You forget that the majority of the funding for those schools are state and local government and some of the organizations that run are in it for the money.

http://socialistworker.org/2014/01/22/the-chicago-charter-scam

As for dumb kids graduating, who says that charter schools do not do the same thing.  They hold up to no standard besides their own and there isn't anything making them not auto pass a kids as long as that kids takes up a seat at the school so the organization gets paid.

To sum this up, I do not have a problem with private, charter or public school.  I grew up in a public school and both my younger kids go to a private school.  My older son graduated from a charter school.  The problems you believe that do not happen in these schools are not there and the totally negative view you have of public schools is also not always the case.  They all have their pros and cons.  I actually do not mind a voucher system if it allowed me to defray the cost of sending both my kids to the private school they go to today.  From my own experience, there needs to be a balance and taking money from the public system if those kids cannot attend private or charter is nothing something I would support.

Here is some food for thought on public vs private schools and kids performance.

Have you been to college yet? Do you notice the difference that kids put into their education depending on if they are paying for it themselves or their parents are?

I have. The kids that are paying for it themselves seem to try much hard than those on some sort of free ride, parents paying, federal aid, ect.

You argued that parents of kids in public school care about their kids grades? I sure hope so. But is it hard to believe that if you were a parent that you might care a little more if you were paying 10 grand a year versus nothing? Same for anything else. You send your kid to a baseball camp and you find out he just screwed around the whole time. That would make you more upset if it costs money versus if it didn't.

So parents probably care more about their kids performance in private schools than in public. Might be more for a monetary reason than a altruistic/parental reason, but doesn't matter if its a good reason, selfish reason or for the kids best interest, they will likely push their kids to do better.

Or what is sadly also true in this day and age, they will go after the teachers and say I'm paying os much, why is my kid getting an F.

There is no child that cares how much a parent pays for their education.  The longer their parents pay for their education the more they take it for granted.  I have seem way to many children from private schools drop out of college when there is no one there to hand hold them through the process, especially if their parents are paying for it.  Being a parent I have heard all the stories from other parents who pay for their children's college education and it's a minefield of disaster.

Why do you have to hope for parents who want the best for their child not to put in the work just because their child goes to a public school.  I have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about.  The school does not make the child, it's the parents.  My Son and Daughter does not care one bit how much I pay for them to go to private school, its not their money.  Parents put in the effort because they understand about education and how hard it is out there once your kids leave your home.  My wife and I put in just as much effort with our older son when he went to a public school first then a charter school later in his teen years.  The school or how much money made no difference it was the experience the both of us had growing up knowing the advantage of a strong education that lead us from the start when we had our child to their adulthood.

Your way of thinking is totally different from mine.  It matters not the amount of money I spend its what I consider important.  I do not care if I spent no money or a lot of money, if I believe it's important I will be just as involved with my child education.  If money is your motivation to care then you will not get the results you are looking for.  It's parents who have experiences that make them want something better for their children that get them to improve their child's education and perform better.  

Probably the real difference between parents that have kids in private vs public is their ability to pay for extended education like tutoring.  This is something my wife and I did with all of our kids to strengthen them in subjects they were lacking.  There is a host of online extended education sources to use as well.  This is probably the biggest difference you may see but then again it's because we have the means.