Democrats Vote To Give Trump Obscene $717 Billion Mílítary Budget

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

The democrats look at Europe socialized service in a very general sense, they spin the truth to fit their ideals. They argue Europe has free healthcare, free college education, and many other free social services. But they ignore things like high taxes and college is primarily free for people with actual potential.

Europe isn't the world.

Mr Puggsly said:

People in the US have the impression we can have lots of free stuff by simply taxing the rich more, in reality everybody (working) would require a large tax increase. The problem with that is people in the US actually hate taxes, even the average democrat.

You don't need high taxes to fund various social schemes.
Again, universal healthcare has proven to be cheaper on a per-capita basis than the USA's system, so if anything it should save money and lower taxes when done correctly.

Mr Puggsly said:

Ultimately, we can't throw an endless fortune on relatively basic services and expect much more other free services. Hence, if democrats can't entertain the idea of more efficient spending than the biggest hurdle starts with them.

I absolutely agree. Throwing money at something and hoping for a result is a waste.
But if you can implement a free services over a paid service and see improvements in wait times, quality of care... Then what's not to love?

Mr Puggsly said:

The US is still a big chunk of China's exports. Also, if the US props up other countries exports than maybe other countries will look elsewhere too when it makes sense.

Tariffs are a mixed bag.
The first thing it impacts is people.

I.E. Australia sells it's Iron Ore to China, China then turns it into Steel. - USA then buys that Steel from China and then is imported and is used in something like Harley Davidson Motorcycles.
A 25% increase on raw materials means a marked increase in production costs on motorcycles...

That means the American consumer needs to pay significantly more.

The second thing it impacts is the company, higher prices, usually means lower sales... So either they live with reduced sales or, decreased profit margins... Or. They shift manufacturing to somewhere like Mexico... You see, those motorcycles are exported all around the world, so at-least then only the Americans are paying the higher price if manufacturing is in Mexico.

Again, the rest of the world isn't going to suddenly buy from the USA just because you have thrown up Tariffs and made manufacturing more expensive, you are just going to keep turning us towards China and India, which are set to become the largest and most lucrative markets.

Mr Puggsly said:

Unless things change its best we move away from China, they're a threat to the west in general.

Well. That is why you should build up a working relationship.
China and the USA being close allies is far better for the planet then having them at odds with each other.

India will be China's counter balance going forwards anyway as the USA's importance on the world stage continues to recede.

No shit, I'm saying democrats look to Europe as the ideal implementations of socialism (socialist policies in reality). But they spin also spin facts to make it fit their ideals. Democrats don't actually want socialism how Europe does it per se, because those countries are still to responsible in their spending.

I think I should stress the point we would all love free stuff in the US. I wish I didn't have to think about my healthcare costs, education fees, etc. But the US is has proven to be terrible at offering quality services and inefficient at spending. If democrats and government in general can't solve those problems, people aren't gonna be interested in throwing more money into government. That simply means higher taxes and less choices.

Hence, when our government can do better job with vast amount of resources it already receives then I would be open to more government operated services. You've argued we could get more done with efficient spending. Well lets have more efficient spending before we pour more into government. Is that a crazy concept?

I see the problem with tariffs, that means we pay more for goods. You got one party potentially hurting consumers with tariffs, while the opposing part wants significantly higher taxes. So it certainly feels either way you go people are getting hit in the wallet. But either way, we could rely on other countries as well for exports and that would prop up other countries, which is arguably best.

We aren't starting a war with China, this negations. Many feel we're getting a bad deal with China and they're taking advantage of us, you seem to be suggesting we tolerate that so they don't become an enemy. I don't think that's a great plan.