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Machiavellian on 10 August 2018
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Mr Puggsly said:
Machiavellian said:

I have to say this is pure opinion.  First charter schools do not outperform public schools because they have better education.  What they do is cherry pick their students so that their test scores stay high.  Public schools do not have this privilege since they accept everyone no matter their test scores, economic background or social status. The current system right now have absolutely no oversight on private schools/ Charter schools.  Because of that, you have many private and charter schools opening up all over the place as simple scams.  Private and Charter schools isn't really an answer but just another choice and right now the current education secretary is pretty much in it for the money.  There isn't anything wrong with Private or Charter schools but as with anything within the US system, if there is no real oversight into what they do, then a lot of kids will get crap education at the expense of the taxpayers.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/opinion/29sat2.html

Also you seem to forget that during the Obama term, his administration tried to institute a lot of accountability into the system but there was a lot of push back.  In this case republican did not want to do anything because they say this trample on States rights. As for who is for or against accountability for schools, it all depends on who is in power.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/senate-scraps-obama-regulations-on-school-accountability/2017/03/09/e9279932-04e5-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?utm_term=.dc427cecc493

We will see if there is a better solution then just cutting checks to private and charter schools and leaving other individual kids behind but with this administration I highly doubt it.

Well it appears where charter schools are in demand they actually use a lottery system to select kids. So I imagine that limits their ability to select the best.

I believe kids in charter schools can perform better because they don't tolerate as much crap as public so you get less distractions, they have more freedom in how they teach, and the parents care more about their kids getting a good education in general. All of these factors create a better environment that the public schools can't duplicate. But that doesn't mean everybody should be stuck with the public option.

If a child isn't making an effort or being a distraction to other kids, the charter school should remove that child. The child can still be educated in the public system. Charter schools aren't designed to cater to everyone, its just an option for parents who want something different than what the public offers.

On a side note, you're essentially implying charter schools avoid kids based on their economic background. The reality is charter schools are in demand in poor areas because that's where public schools tend to fail most.

Public schools might have more transparency which is argued, but public schools also give dumb kids diplomas. We essentially have illiterate people graduating which makes little sense in my mind.

Are you a parent because your First paragraph sounds like someone who knows absolutely nothing about public schools.  Why do you believe charter schools do not have the same problems as a public school.  What make you believe that the parents who children go to a public school do not care about their child education.  You are throwing out some high brow opinion but I truly wonder where your experience is coming from.

I do not agree if the child is not making an effort or a distraction the kid should be removed.  Not knowing or understanding the circumstances of that child you are already throwing them to the curb.  If a charter school wants to be discriminating like that then why should we the people fund them with our tax money.  Kids go through all type of fazes in their lives, having some draconian system like that sounds like it would be more destructive than helpful even for the very good students.  If they want to go that route then just like a Private school, they can fund themselves.  There have been many children who have overcome problems at home, in their environment and other items that may affect them when someone takes the enough time to care and reach out.  In your world, those children would be sent packing and the results is often worst.  I have no problems with a Charter school being discriminating with who they let within their walls, but I also do not believe I need to pay for such a system out of my tax money.

Just because you have a Charter School in a poor area does not mean its there as a facility to help them or raises the bar over a public school.  You forget that the majority of the funding for those schools are state and local government and some of the organizations that run are in it for the money.

http://socialistworker.org/2014/01/22/the-chicago-charter-scam

As for dumb kids graduating, who says that charter schools do not do the same thing.  They hold up to no standard besides their own and there isn't anything making them not auto pass a kids as long as that kids takes up a seat at the school so the organization gets paid.

To sum this up, I do not have a problem with private, charter or public school.  I grew up in a public school and both my younger kids go to a private school.  My older son graduated from a charter school.  The problems you believe that do not happen in these schools are not there and the totally negative view you have of public schools is also not always the case.  They all have their pros and cons.  I actually do not mind a voucher system if it allowed me to defray the cost of sending both my kids to the private school they go to today.  From my own experience, there needs to be a balance and taking money from the public system if those kids cannot attend private or charter is nothing something I would support.