Democrats Vote To Give Trump Obscene $717 Billion Mílítary Budget

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Well that's the thing, in the US there is little accountability on the money being spent, where its going, etc. When republicans start entertaining the idea of putting more accountability on spending and budget cutting, it starts a propaganda war about how public services will decline in quality.

For example, look at education. We spend more than virtually any other country per student. The democrats never argue that's a problem, instead they're always arguing we simply need to spend more even with no results. Democrats also have strong opposition of private and charter schools because public schools want no alternatives/competition even if they get better results with less spending. Their concern isn't helping children, they just want a monopoly on education and more money.

I argue we don't rely enough on for for-profit solutions. They create better and more economical solutions when government fails.

From what I can see, both sides of the political divide are equally at fault for the current situation.
Republicans want everything privatized and left to the market where profits are the priority.
Democrats want to throw more money at everything.

The ideal spot is actually somewhere in the middle.

You need to take a look at what nations overseas are doing and the results they are bringing in... And if you are going to try and place blame on any singular political party, then you simply aren't looking at the larger picture.

Mr Puggsly said:

Well some argue that's what Trump is trying to do with this tariff situation. And frankly, its probably in our best interest to do less business with China and try to rely more on other countries. People mock the US because we're bigger consumers than much of the world, but its also our strength. That makes the US a significant trading partner, China's most significant. We could work with other countries more for cheap products as well if China is seen as a real threat.

 

China is an economic threat, not even a debate. They also oppose our western way of life (freedom), they constantly try to steal our secrets and technology, and unfortunately we have US companies working closely with them for greater profits (like Google, facebook, apple, etc.). You seem to be oblivious to these realities.

Oblivious? No.
The United States is a significant trading force, but it's still smaller than the rest of the planet, the United States can chuck a tantrum and enter trade wars with China... However the rest of the world will keep buying from China and China will keep buying from the rest of the world... In the long run, the United States will only hinder it's own position.

So yes, you "could" work more with other countries, but it's not going to happen when countries like my own do the vast majority of their trade with China, the USA isn't even that important to us anymore from an economic point of view, throwing more Tariffs at the problem is only pushing us farther away.

The democrats look at Europe socialized service in a very general sense, they spin the truth to fit their ideals. They argue Europe has free healthcare, free college education, and many other free social services. But they ignore things like high taxes and college is primarily free for people with actual potential. People in the US have the impression we can have lots of free stuff by simply taxing the rich more, in reality everybody (working) would require a large tax increase. The problem with that is people in the US actually hate taxes, even the average democrat.

Ultimately, we can't throw an endless fortune on relatively basic services and expect much more other free services. Hence, if democrats can't entertain the idea of more efficient spending than the biggest hurdle starts with them.

The US is still a big chunk of China's exports. Also, if the US props up other countries exports than maybe other countries will look elsewhere too when it makes sense. Unless things change its best we move away from China, they're a threat to the west in general.

Last edited by Mr Puggsly - on 10 August 2018