Democrats Vote To Give Trump Obscene $717 Billion Mílítary Budget

[Mr Puggsly]

Pemalite said:

Mr Puggsly said:

I'm saying many left wingers don't realize we are ALREADY spending a fortune on social services. For fun sometimes I tell them the actual percentage of our military budget and its a lot lower than they think. However, the left never says we need the best bang for the buck on things like healthcare or education, their solution is simply pour more money in.

Well. Funding is a part of the equation, I think there needs to be a strong top-to-bottom audit done on all your social services/welfare in the USA because... As far as international standards go, the USA just isn't getting a good deal or good results.

Allot of the leave-it-to-the-market capitalistic approaches to many services just doesn't work, because they become for-profit, rather than focusing on what's really important.

Mr Puggsly said:

I don't believe our only concern with China is they're becoming the most powerful country. They're essentially a threat to the US in every way possible.

Well. I think the USA should learn to work with them, rather than against them.
China isn't going anywhere, that is a fact... The USA can try and limit trade as much as they want, but the rest of the planet will continue to buy and support Chinese.

 

Dulfite said:

China is an economic enemy, and a political one. It could be a military one down the road because of those things.

Slippery Slope arguments are a logical fallacy... And thus incorrect.

Things are better today with Trump... Things don't have to be so horrible.

 

Well that's the thing, in the US there is little accountability on the money being spent, where its going, etc. When republicans start entertaining the idea of putting more accountability on spending and budget cutting, it starts a propaganda war about how public services will decline in quality.

For example, look at education. We spend more than virtually any other country per student. The democrats never argue that's a problem, instead they're always arguing we simply need to spend more even with no results. Democrats also have strong opposition of private and charter schools because public schools want no alternatives/competition even if they get better results with less spending. Their concern isn't helping children, they just want a monopoly on education and more money.

I argue we don't rely enough on for for-profit solutions. They create better and more economical solutions when government fails.

 

Well some argue that's what Trump is trying to do with this tariff situation. And frankly, its probably in our best interest to do less business with China and try to rely more on other countries. People mock the US because we're bigger consumers than much of the world, but its also our strength. That makes the US a significant trading partner, China's most significant. We could work with other countries more for cheap products as well if China is seen as a real threat.

 

China is an economic threat, not even a debate. They also oppose our western way of life (freedom), they constantly try to steal our secrets and technology, and unfortunately we have US companies working closely with them for greater profits (like Google, facebook, apple, etc.). You seem to be oblivious to these realities.