Israel: the new face of apartheid - Discuss

[Eagle367]

NightlyPoe said:

Eagle367 said:

What logic don't you get? Israel is the aggressor. Illegal settlements aren't laughable they are the truth of Israel. Israel won't be happy and doesn't want peace. They are all too happy to have Hamas so they can spew propaganda and claim hamas while killing innocents. Israel wants all of what Was Palestine. They don't care whether palestinians are Christian or Muslim, child or adult, innocent or combatant, they will kill them and take their land. The land that was Palestine and now illegally occupied is not petty. What if your neighbour takes control of half your house illegally. Won't you be mad and outraged. What I'm saying and what jumping is saying and what you are hearing are completly different things. You think Israel is a just this pure innocent nation that is defending itself but it's a monster where IDF enjoys killing and bullying innocents and children. The last thing Israel wants is peace with Palestine. It doesn't want Palestine to exist at all  

Settlements are laughable because:

1.  They're an excuse, not a reason.  The will to kill Jews exists regardless of whether settlements are being built or dismantled.

2.  The excuse of setting up places to live is a flimsy motivation for violence to the point of obsessive insanity.

Also, if I moved in somewhere and my neighbor immediately tried to kill me and my family, yes I would take half their house if it diminished my neighbor's threat.  Furthermore, I wouldn't feel bad about it and would look at any outsider funny when they demand I give it back.  Until I'm certain the threat is gone, I will protect my family.

Is Israel perfect?  Hardly.  You have a war, there are going to be atrocities committed.  But they're not out to make Palestine cease to exist.  They could have accomplished that decades ago.  Again, only one side has the power to end the conflict.  You can rail against the Israelis forever, but you can't get beyond that point.  If the Palestinians legitimately renounced violence, if they had a Gandhi or a King, they would have long since had their land and would be living better lives.

But they, with the help of people such as yourself, have become trapped in a cycle of violence they can't break because the Israelis have had the gall not to expose their belly out of politeness again.

      That my friend is called spinning the narrative. You'll never change your mind I see so it's pointless. But the palestinians are violent because someone invaded their home and took away parts not the other way around. It's like you invading and taking control of part of your neighbor's house and then the neighbor gets violent to protect his/her house. And that'' why other people are looking at you funny, you are the offender not the defender here. You're an oppressor, not a hero or a patriot. The stupid narrative of protecting itself through illegal occupation does not stick at all. The occupation is strategic and made to isolate palestinian hubs from each other so that slowly they can incorporate and eat away at larger cities and hubs and slowly, through a process spanning decades, claim the entire piece of land as their own. They never could have done that in one fell swoop as that would cause other nations to attack them. You keep saying that but logically Israel might not even exist if they conquered all of Palestine in one fell swoop. Things don't work as blatantly as that and in such a direct manner. They want a world where suddenly people realize there's no more a Palestine, not one where it's breaking news all around the world.