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DonFerrari said: No I'm not saying Live isn't profitable. I'm saying we don't know how much, and how much Xbox department is profitable. Not sure where you got confused though. Any publicaly traded company have to disclose their P&L as company. Blizzard doesn't have multiple big departments (MS does) so even if they release a corporate one you know it is related to gaming even if you can't say which individual game done it. But please show us how much Xbox profits or loses, can you dig through MS corporate release to get it? Can you separate every year what is xbox and what isn't on its department? We aren't discussing Blizzard, we mentioned that we don't know the sales of Xbox, XBL Gold, 1st party titles, etc... you have gone left and right saying MS look at what is important to bring revenue and that they are reaping a lot of profit, but can't show the profit. 1) Those are estimate costs for release of the consoles (in the case of PS3 60Gb), not the average cost during the generation (which you don't have). Plus you have what 2 or 3 Billion in losses for RROD? 2) Yes Xbox sold a little more SW, but Sony have sold a lot more 1st party due to the higher number of releases. So revenue was probably close. 3) Xbox 360 had to pay for a lot of exclusives and timed exclusives, total amount we don't know what was and with more servers on XBL it costed more, but sure we can safely assume XBL brought more money than PSN. THe amount? No one know. 4) So you are using 10+ year of revenue for the estimate of Forbes for a window time, even including years Xbox 360 wasn't released or was substituted? 5) Your assumption. You don't have the numbers for the profit of the Xbox, so even if your estimates are reasonable (in some areas they aren't) you can't say for certain that X360 was more profitable, even more because from all that is know neither was even profitable to begin. I'll keep waiting for your sources on X1 profits, that HW sales of PS4 didn't brought subs at about 50% rate, number of XBL Gold currently, saying that you made a bogus comparison between PS+ subs and total XBL accounts. And of course you can also reread the posts and replied to the things you ignored and preferred to change subject. |
Okay Don.
Its time to call you out on your posts.
Strike One!
#Donferrari *Those are estimate costs for release of the consoles (in the case of PS3 60Gb), not the average cost during the generation
360 lost $2,996b on HW and PS3 lost $4,951b on HW. Bottom line, 360 was cheaper to produce and PS3 lost $2b more. Plus 360 had revenue from Subs to further reduce the pain, Sony did not.
Strike Two!!
#Donferrari *but Sony have sold a lot more 1st party due to the higher number of releases.
Only 4 out of 10 Sony 1st Party games make profit. I would not say Sony make more money on the 1st party titles, since X360 had juggernauts. Halo 4 alone made $220m in 1 day.
Strike Three!!!
#Donferrari *Plus you have what 2 or 3 Billion in losses for RROD?*
RROD cost MS $1.15b, not 2b or 3b. Plus lets not pretend Sony didn't have there own fair share of faulty PS3s, Firmware Bricking, Yellow Light of Death plus there law case for lying about there OS where they owe $65 to every PS3 owner from that 4 year period. 10million customers are eligible for there claim which works out to be $650m to add to there already costly PS3. HW sales really makes the money doesn't it.
https://bgr.com/2018/03/19/sony-ps3-lawsuit-how-to-claim-eligibility/
Your facts are all over the place and your the one claiming others talk trash and mislead statistics. Not even one link of source material to back up your claims, instead you are just throwing out random numbers. 3 strikes! you are out. I am done with this thread and I am done with this debate with you.
Last edited by Azzanation - on 24 July 2018
