Israel: the new face of apartheid - Discuss

[DonFerrari]

Jumpin said:

Mystro-Sama said:

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

It has nothing to do with "Zionists controlling the government and banks." - that's simply not the case. The US is clearly the main supporter of Israel. Within the US, the faction mostly pushing for this is very clearly religious right.

If you have ever discussed religion with American conservatives, you'll find three things.

1. They are pro-crusades, and Israel is kind of a modern crusader kingdom. While Europeans (and most of the rest of the world) find the crusades something between a shameful act of the Christian religion to a atrocity of our ancestors - the conservative  Americans are very positive about the crusades.
2. Most Conservative Americans are biblical literalists - they believe the world is 4-6000 years old, that evolution and science are generally fake, and that  the Apocalypse is coming. A growing number ohave also been aggressively preaching that the world is flat, and that the reason why we think it is round is due to a conspiracy by their own government in combination with everyone else.
3. While they call themselves Christians, they primarily follow the old testament. By "follow Jesus" it seems their interpretation is merely to "believe Jesus existed" and not to actually follow any of his teachings. Rather they follow the old testament teachings, ironically, in the same way the Pharisees followed them - the very people Jesus rebelled against, and spent like 40 pages of the Gospels lambasting as hypocrites, evil, and the spawn of Satan.

Basically, the US government is FULL of these Conservative sorts, primarily in the Republican party. They are pro-Zionism because Israel is proxy for a crusader Kingdom. While they would be happier if it were a Christian state, they find it perfectly acceptable at it being a Jewish state, particularly because their bibles have the Jewish people owning Israel - even when today's Jewish people barely resemble the Sadducees of the biblical era in culture or genetics (actually, the Palestinians are closer in both accounts). It's kind of ironic because many of these pro-Israel Conservatives are kind of anti-Semitic, Ann Coulter is a perfect example.

Do you have any source to prove your 3 claims?

I’m considered conservative using the binary us classification (more like minarquist or uk classic liberal) and atheist. Funny right?

Flilix said:

DonFerrari said:

Why a step in the wrong direction?

Is there any Arabian country embracing and opening to Jews?

It's step in the wrong direction because it's very provoking, the tensions will keep growing.

The Palestinians have lived in this region for centuries. Then suddenly, foreign nations decide that they have to give a part of their land to the Jews. Then, these Jews start taking away more and more of their remaining land, and start oppressing them. The Palestinians are now forced to live in the small overpopulated pieces of land that they have left.

Your question just doesn't make any sense. This situation only exists in Israel/Palestine, nowhere else.

Mystro-Sama said:

Thats next to impossible considering zionists control the government and banking sector of these countries. Thats why Israel will always get a free pass regardless of the atrocities they commit.

I doubt they really have that much power, but it's definitely true that Jews are a lot more respected in the West (especially in the US) than Muslims.

However, that doesn't mean that nothing can change. Trump has made it very clear that he favours Israel over Palestine (for obvious reasons), but hopefully the next president is a bit more rational and peaceful.

Perhaps they don’t exist anywhere else because the Islamic countries doesn’t give any level of representation and respect to Jew? And Palestinians were there and lost land that they previously took from Jews? Is this one of those cases that is cool to bash Christians and Jews but we need to respect the culture of Islam?