Sources: AMD Has Created Navi FOR Sony’s PlayStation 5.

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CGI-Quality said:

KBG29 said:

It depends on if they use only GDDR or a mix as Intrinsic has suggested. 16GB GPUs should be pretty normal by 2020, and that is just VRAM, not to mention the additional 16GB or much more DDR a PC would have. I can see 24GB GDDR with 8GB DDR, or just a single 32GB GDDR pool. This is total system RAM, not just VRAM.

Got to be quick, but I think 32GB on a 256 bit bus is a good choice for the base PS5. 48GB on a 384bit bus would be a great mid gen update.

Just because it sounds like it could work doesn't actually mean that it would. Other things go into building these machines . No matter how it is divided up, 24GB of any type of RAM is a lot, and one thing you wouldn't want is the slower RAM being a thorn in the device's side (which can happen). 

I just don't want to hear later that you people were "disappointed" when you don't get 24GB of total RAM. Always temper expectations with these things, so that you can either be satisfied or overjoyed when they turn out better than you expect (as was the case with the PS4). And that 32-48GB stuff..... Please don't do that to yourself.

That is already a tempered expectation. I am working my way down to dealing with the possability of a measly 16GB of total system RAM. My expectations for next gen based on previous PlayStation generations would put PS5 in the relm of 100GB @ 1TB/s. That obviously is not going to happen. 24GB on a 384bit bus or 32GB on a 256bit bus for the launch model is at least possible, looking at what will be available by 2020. I still would prefer they wait to launch next gen until they can deliver the same kind of improvement we have seen in the past though.

 At this point I am ready to come to the reality that console generations are a thing of the past, and the Smartphone style of numbered systems will be the future. On that same note, I am also open to the idea of streaming if consoles stop being worthwhile investments for gaming. The one saving grace for physical hardware for me would be VR, since it requires response times, that are just not going to be possible via streaming for quite a few more years.

Trumpstyle said:

Pemalite said:

There are still massively faster mechanical disks than what we saw in the Playstation 4/Xbox One devices, they aren't SSD speeds... Sure. - But don't discredit them just yet, there is still a big amount of room for improvement on that front.

Which mechanical disks? I have checked information about Hamr and Mamr Disks but I don't think they will be ready in time for next-gen. Predicting what hard drive ps5 will use is difficult. Eurogamer says mechanical drives are to slow and I have come to the conclusion that a hybrid solution with 1TB mechanical disk with 256GB ssd is useless.

Right now 1 TB SSD seems to the most reasonable guess what ps5 will launch with.

1TB M.2 (user upgradable with both SATA and NVMe) is the minimum I would hope for on PS5. That currently sits at anywhere from $200 to $400 by itself. SSD prices are falling though, with massive increases to maximum capacity on the horizon. Any way you cut it though, I feel like this generation is being rushed along. It is going to take everything going very nicely throughout many aspects of tech, to deliver even half hearted next gen consoles by 2020. Otherwise, I fear we are going to end up with some pretty pathectic boxes label with the PS5 and XB4 logos.

I have no issues with Ryzen, but I question,

Can Navi deliver ~18TFLOPs while staying in a console Watt/Price level?

Are they going to be able to deliver what I consider the minumum unacceptable level of RAM, which to me would be 32GB?

Will they be able make the move to Solid State Memory?

 

Looking at what I would still not consider a worthy "PS5", but I could live with; Ryzen 8 Core (~$200), Navi @ 18TFLOPs (Nothing currently but Vega 64 - HBM ~$400), 32GB GDDR6 (Current (1GB) GDDR5 Module pricing ~$280), and 1TB M.2 ($200 best case scenario). You're looking at roughly a $1,000 right now, for just those components, with no current 16nm GPU even capable of 18TFLOPs. Can they get this down to $400 - $500 by 2020? 

It is going to be pretty damn tight to squeeze together that package into a full console by 2020. I still like the idea of Pro 2 next year, with true next gen consoles in 2022, but everything points to the arrival of what I would consider a Pseudo PS5 in either 2019 or 2020. Brace yourself for Ryzen 6 Core + Navi @ 12TFLOPs + 16GB GDDR6 + 2TB HDD.