Nautilus said:
o_O.Q said:

" if watching porn is raping someone, if that applies to men, then it applies to woman right?"

first off i didn't say they are the same thing but that they are nested in reducing women down to objects for sexual gratification

you understand that both a toyota and a nissan can be different types of cars right?

do you understand abstraction at all?

 

furthermore i already addressed your point about women consuming porn also

"objectification can also be practiced by women... the fact that all 3 of you don't get that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the problem"

But what i dont understand is this:

You think porn watched by men is the same as rape, because that man dosent ask the permission of the woman, or the men they are watching(because you know, tastes), and thus it constitutes a rape of that woman/men he is watching.Fine, I dont agree but I understand what you are saying.But I still dont get why woman cant be categorized the same, given that she would be doing the same thing:She would be watching a video of some men/woman doing sex, thus porn, and masturbating and/or getting horny due to that video.By your own definition, shouldnt that woman be raping that man?Or that other woman, depending on what kind of video she is watching?You gave the car example, but people arent cars, and outside of biological differences, we all are equal, both in rights and responsibilities.So why the previlege to woman?

Unless you mean that men cant rape, because its obviously wrong, but woman can?Because they are woman?

"You think porn watched by men is the same as rape"

uh you keep saying that i'm saying that and i keep clarifying that "first off i didn't say they are the same thing but that they are nested in reducing women down to objects for sexual gratification"

i suppose what is important is whether you think objectifying women is problematic and whether male entitlement to women's bodies is a problem?

if we can't find common ground there then i don't think we'll really get anywhere

 

"I still dont get why woman cant be categorized the same, given that she would be doing the same thing:She would be watching a video of some men/woman doing sex, thus porn"

i also said that women objectify women... but that's irrelevant

this not about assigning blame to one gender or another... its about the very real consequences reducing women down to objects have for real women in real life and that is sexism, sexual assault and obviously rape

as i have outlined there is a connection between objectification and the very real abuse women are forced to suffer in our society and it has to stop

one of the first things we need to do is to ban pornography

 

"You gave the car example, but people arent cars"

i was making a point about the various levels through which objectification is manifested in our society

one level is through porn 

another much deeper level is sexual assault and rape

they are all born out of reducing women down to objects for sexual gratification

with regards to my example cars would be objectification and the different types of cars would be the different manifestations

its not a direct example obviously but i figured it might make things a bit clearer