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Mandalore76 said:
Soundwave said:
Star Wars is overrated anyway, the main reason it took off in a huge way was because Lucas fluked out into the "lets make Darth Vader Luke's father" which wasn't even in the original Empire drafts that made that original series more interesting than it had any business being. Otherwise it would've just been Star Wars 2, Star Wars 3, etc. generic sequels to the first film. Lucas is a mediocre writer in many other respects, the prequels already proved he had no clue what he was doing. Disney is just trying to milk nostalgia from the OT but took too much risk with the character of Luke in VIII.

And Star Wars didn't have to compete against anything in the 70s/80s ... there was no LOTR trilogy, no Marvel films, no Avatar, no Matrix, no Spider-Man, no nothing, it was the only big fantasy IP at a time where like there were maybe 2-3 "big budget" blockbuster movies a year, now there's that many in a month. It was the only game in town.

The sequel trilogy was never going to be anything that mind blowing ... the story arc concluded in Return of the Jedi, they were never gonna top that.

Star Wars is not king, Cameron with all due respect is the king. Avatar and Titanic both beat every Star Wars film inflation adjusted, sorry Star Wars nerds. Marvel also has a better overall canon of characters .... far better, they have 60+ years of thousands of writers and hundreds of issues of depth to even "side characters" ... Star Wars characters like even Han Solo or Boba Fett (lol, gimme a break) are BORING compared to what you can do with Iron Man, Deadpool, Dr. Strange, Thor, etc. All those characters have fully formed story arcs, personalities, etc.




The success of the Star Wars franchise is a fluke that only happened because of the way the climax to Empire was written?  LOL!  Star Wars was a smash hit well before Empire.  The merchandising, which George Lucas negotiating sole rights to (I guess this must have been a fluke too!) was already off the charts.  They had to issue IOU's for the first wave of figures because of the demand.  If anything, the prequels prove that Lucas knew exactly what he was doing.  There is a very good reason why "A New Hope" starts off in medias res.  Lucas had a blueprint in his head for the Fall of the Republic, The Clone Wars, etc, but he was smart enough to know that the bits of the story that would most engage the general public came halfway through his planned story arc.  Everyone who sh*ts on Lucas because they didn't like the prequels conveniently forgets that he consciously made that decision.  They also ignore the fact that he created Indiana Jones (another successful and highly regarded series) and gave it to his friend Steven Spielberg, because he was too busy with Star Wars to film it.

I would just ignore him. From debating with him previously, I have come to the conclusion that he is just a big James Cameron fan who seems to be pissed that Cameron was never able to create a franchise that had the same impact as SW, so he constantly belittles it.