| VGPolyglot said: I don't think she's necessarily saying that all men are the problem, or that women do nothing wrong, more that the system as it currently is more advantageous to men than it is to women. However, I do think that men who want to help the cause should definitely be allowed to participate; granted we cannot truly understand the difficulties that women face, however we can at least try to help recognize things that we could do differently in order not to perpetuate the oppressive system. Where she and I definitely do come to a disagreement though are thoughts on sexual orientation and transsexualism, I do not think that women can essentially free themselves by choosing to become homosexual, as from personal anecdotes I've tried to "become" bisexual/pansexual through a desire to have a more open mindset, however no matter how hard I'd try I could only achieve limited sexual attraction towards men. As for transsexualism, Jaicee is of the belief that it does not truly exist, while my belief is that transsexuals are real and that not accepting them into their desired gender is very harmful and potentially lethal. |
Let's take just a moment to absorb the fact that you have literally just equated disagreement to murder. Let's just reflect on that for a moment and think about whether that might be juuuuuust a little bit hyperbolic, especially considering that the murder rate for transgender people doesn't appear to be any higher than it is for the general population and that it is almost exclusively men who commit violent crimes anyway, statistically speaking, not feminist women like yours truly.
| VGPolyglot said: I see that, but what would you prefer I use? If you want a self-identified term, I'll use it, but I'm definitely not going to agree with your thoughts on transgender issues. I also don't understand this argument: "Understanding that gender is imposed, and is oppressive/exists to create a hierarchy between men and women." How can you simultaneously say that gender is imposed, and refuse to accept those who refuse to have the sex that they don't associate with imposed on them? |
I'm not sure you're understanding. You're mentally equating sex and gender. One's sex is determined by their DNA structure. One's gender refers to those cultural constructs that we call masculinity and femininity. In the view of the proponents of transgenderism, gender exists objectively, while one's sex can be changed. Our (radical feminists') view is the opposite: that one's sex is innate while one's gender is subjective and can change. We do not believe that men have to be masculine or that women have to be feminine. We reject defining womanhood and manhood by cultural stereotypes.
Am I making sense here?
| VGPolyglot said: @Jaicee also, in response to your claims that transwomen attempt suicide at a lower rate than ciswomen: Also, thinking more about it, I'm baffled as to how the term TERF can be compared to the terms bitch, cunt and slut. The latter three refer to the sex of the individual, and those are obviously slurs, however the term TERF is not referring to the sex of the individual, but rather to the person's ideology/beliefs. |
There was a similar survey of the "queer" community out of the UK late last year that radical feminists broke down by biological sex (as approximately as possible anyway). I think you may find the details instructive. The bottom line is that the gender ID-based nature of the survey conceals what strongly appears to in reality be a rise in suicidal ideas and attempts among girls, and lesbians in particular.
