Jumpin said:
My encounters with MRAs have given me the impression that they're generally incels. The focus has very little to do with actual rights of men, but on the sexual advantage of women and their bizarre perception of a crazy "feminazi regime." While the MRA movement claims to support "fathers rights" - I generally do not see any actual fathers seeking child custody among their ranks; they claim to support a group of people who wants nothing to do with them - and even then, this is typically a small topic of discussion that only pops up from time to time because of the perceived support of their "women dominate us" agenda. In addition, there are a lot of racial things included, they don't seem to include blacks among their class. They don't seem to have many men in their ranks, mostly boys in their teens and younger twenties. Not even close to the age that they would have actually had the life experiences that would actually send them demanding rights - because, for the most part, life is not even close to as tough toward men as they seem to think it will be. Their frustration comes from not having sex rather than any actual injustice against them: that's why their focus is so much on women's roles in society and not the status of men's rights; in other words, the MRA is their more "rational" ideological vent for young men not having sex. (Note: I put the quotes around "rational" because, while their arguments seem logical, the actual reality of the world does not align with the notion of injustice they claim to be fighting against.) |
| Aeolus451 said: No wonder you're so far off the mark. You're basing alot of this off of your impressions of MRAs versus what they're actually saying. I doubt you looked into anything considering the things you're saying. "They just can't get laid" is a very typical attack on them that's baseless. They're typically older guys that became activists after going thru a divorce or custody battle over their kids. The vast majority of their grievances have to do with marriage or offspring so of course they're gonna butt heads with feminists. So conflating them with incels is 100% wrong and foolish. |
Nobody was talking to me here, but I'm going to offer my 2 cents on this subject anyway.
Feminists tend to use the term "MRA" broadly to cover an array of misogynistic phenomenon ranging from traditional men's activism such as can be found around the National Coalition of Men or A Voice for Men that's mostly about stuff like custody battles (which men actually have to try pretty hard to lose, frankly) and the promotion of access to female-only spaces and events (like ladies night at your local bar or those women-only screenings of the Wonder Woman movie), as well as the male separatist movement ("MTGOWs") that revolves around mocking the outward appearance of older women (defined as over 30, like me), and the more extreme "PUA" and "incel" phenomenon that revolve around male demand for guaranteed sex from women. Just to be clear on what is meant when I use the term.
There are lots of stereotypes about the demography of the women's movement too. Depending on who you talk to, feminists are either all rich and powerful femme fatales who rule the world or poor, fat "losers" who can't find a man because they're too busy living off the government. No one seems able to decide which it is. As someone involved in the movement, I would say that the truth is more like the average feminist is a middle-aged single mom who is divorced because her husband cheated on her or abused her or her kid(s) and who struggles to support her kid(s) by herself (as her ex pays no child support), suffers workplace discrimination because her male boss assumes that she should be home taking care of her kids rather than making a living for them, and objectively needs to be treated more comparably to her male counterparts not only for her own sake, but for that of her child(ren) too. Obviously that's not me, as I haven't reached that level on the social ladder and probably never will. But that I would say is a description of the aggregate feminist. I point that out just to hopefully establish some actual communication here.
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